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[Get Real!]

So, Greece was always part of some empire is your point.

Incorrect! No such thing as "Greece" ever existed prior to the 1820s!

It is therefore dumb for anyone today to be writing about “ancient Greece”, or anything that contains the word “Greece” when referring to a date prior to 1830, given that no such thing existed!

I hope you can handle common sense.

[Get Real!]

The fact remains: over 90% of genuine Cypriots (i am assuming a TC population of circa 65.000) today FEEL a responsibility to carrying forward the Hellenic traditions. Does it matter if no single one of them can trace her roots back to Plato?

What on earth are you talking about here? What "hellenic" traditions???

[Get Real!]

Hahahahahahaha... you forgot to say that wherever INDEPENDENCE is mentioned it means as a KINGDOM-STATE, just like Athens was, just like Sparta was, just like Macedon, just like Theba and every other kingdom-state of Greece in the past.

Step 1: Look in mirror...
Step 2: Laugh at monkey!

Because no such thing as "Greece" existed in the past!

Although Cypriots were Greeks and their language a dialect of Greek, the Arcadocypriot, they used to write in an older and more difficult system, called Cypriot syllabary. Evagoras has been called a pioneer of the adoption of the Greek alphabet in Cyprus in place of the older Cypriot syllabary.

Idiot, Greeks could neither read nor write just like you and if it wasn't for Cypriots teaching them Greeks would still be howling like dogs!

[Mikiko]

The Myths are collapsing KLIK ......

I am refering long before that (Ancient History) as history can not be interpreted selectively and skip parts to suit your own vesrion:

Evagoras was a Cypriot fighting for independence:

Cyprus gained independence for some time around 669 but was conquered by Egypt under Amasis (570-526/525). The island was conquered by the Persians around 545 BC. A Persian palace has been excavated in the territory of Marion on the North coast near Soli. The inhabitants took part in the Ionian rising. At the beginning of the 4th century BC, Euagoras I, King of Salamis, took control of the whole island and tried to gain independence from Persia. Another uprising took place in 350 but was crushed by Artaxerxes in 344.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cyprus

Ask your professors to teach you what the term Independence mean. Also it had a short period of independence before Evagoras was in charge but you are very selective when reading an article . This is very common its becoming a modern syndrome to skip events we dont want to hear....

I repeat again Enosis claim was very recent compared to the long trouble history of the island and not even aproved by Greece . These are the facts! I know you will answer YES BUT BUT BUT to find all sort of excuses YES BUT ..........These are rubish thrown in to the dustbin...

[antifon]

Klik, the point I was trying to make was beyond facts and "facts". The more important question should be whether having a Greek conscience prevents us from being Cypriot 100%. To use an analogy you probably would like, can we be like Athenains against Spartans or Macedonians? Don't tell me the Greek city state members did not sacrifice their lives for their cities' interests?

The answer is clearly that we can be Cypriot first. We can feel Greek or be Greek if you like, but always put our Cypriot interests first. There will ofcourse be a natural tendency to align Cypriot interests with Greek interests. Just as the Turkish Cypriots, would have a natural tendency to align Cypriots interests with Turkish insterests.

Already I see one major support for the further development of a Cypriot identity, regardless of ethnic background, we both would like to see the differences between Turkey and Greece diminish or evaporate as such a scenario would be most beneficial for Cyprus. Selling Greece to Turkey and vice versa could mean great financial rewards for the Cypriots.

Go in the street and ask 100 G-Cypriots these two questions:

1. Do you know who Evagoras was?
2. Do you feel Greek is a significant part of your identity?

It is logical to assume that the YESs will be 100% in question #2 (varying degrees, but 100% yes's).
What % would get #1 right? 10%?

Feelings rule mate!




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[Klik]

3/4 of them will say Pallikaridis

Mikiko and Get Real!, you are part of a club of a brainwashed population and you are pitiful.

Evagoras & Salamis. Need I remind you what Salamis actually is? The island near Athens maybe... Where GREEKS migrated from to found a city in Cypriot eastern coast. And that its rulers and population have been entirely Greek, nothing to do with any other part of Cyprus in those years. Evagoras was one of them.

Evagoras was a great leader, which encouraged more Greeks to migrate to Cypriot Salamis. Evagoras also had an alliance with Athens and was in a 6year war against Persia.


Your minds are too narrow to have the ability to grasp actual knowledge. You are too small for Greek history. And I'm sorry, I will be not be killing off parts of my history in order to have you forge one that your narrow minds understand...

The independence of Cyprus in the years BC has the same meaning as the independence of Delos, independence of Sparta, independence of Rodos, independence of Arcadia... You're just too dumb to realise that. You are a disgrace to humanity when you have such foul minded attitude to your own history.

[Get Real!]

We can feel Greek or be Greek if you like,

What do you mean you feel "Greek"??? Are you a poofter or something???

[Mikiko]

3/4 of them will say Pallikaridis

Mikiko and Get Real!, you are part of a club of a brainwashed population and you are pitiful.

Evagoras & Salamis. Need I remind you what Salamis actually is? The island near Athens maybe... Where GREEKS migrated from to found a city in Cypriot eastern coast. And that its rulers and population have been entirely Greek, nothing to do with any other part of Cyprus in those years. Evagoras was one of them.

Evagoras was a great leader, which encouraged more Greeks to migrate to Cypriot Salamis. Evagoras also had an alliance with Athens and was in a 6year war against Persia.


Your minds are too narrow to have the ability to grasp actual knowledge. You are too small for Greek history. And I'm sorry, I will be not be killing off parts of my history in order to have you forge one that your narrow minds understand...

The independence of Cyprus in the years BC has the same meaning as the independence of Delos, independence of Sparta, independence of Rodos, independence of Arcadia... You're just too dumb to realise that. You are a disgrace to humanity when you have such foul minded attitude to your own history.

Your version of history ommits many facts which make it too simplistic and biased hardly to be trusted .I am not sure what you have inside your head though:

[Piratis]

Mikiko, your whole education about this island comes from wikipedia apparently. If you really knew who Evagoras was and what he really supported then you wouldn't use him in your lame arguments.

I repeat Nation States are something that became the norm in the 19th century. This doesn't mean that before the creation of a Greek state there were no Greeks or that before the creation of the Turkish state there were no Turks.

Cyprus is inhabited by a majority of Greeks for over 3000 years. In Cyprus, just like throughout the Greek world there were Greek city states, the concept of a nation state simply did not exist back then.

If you are not Greek yourselves, no problem. But don't try to tell to us who we are. I was born, grew up and lived most of my life on this island and the same goes with my parents, grandparents, great grandparents etc etc, I suspect his is not the case for some of you. Also, Greek, the language of the majority of the population now and for 1000s of years, is my first language. Again I suspect this is not the case with some of you. So, if you are not Greek, no problem. But just because you are not Greek it doesn't mean we are not either.

[Mikiko]

Piratis me and my whole family are Cypriots who live and were born on the island.I am not japanese dont take my nickname and my avatar .Therefore your assumptions are wrong . Σοβαρεύτου σε παρακαλώ.




How can any visitor knows the ancient history of the island or do you think I came from Mars ?