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[Get Real!]

Am I a hypocrite?

We're going to find out very soon...

[antifon]

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[Viewpoint]

antifon check the "RoC" constitution which has the GCs signature on it.

We each have to answer the question for ourselves. You answered it very clearly. Thank you.

And your answer is?

I try to answer it here (scroll down a bit):

http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/01/tri ... hobia.html

and here

http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/bal ... alone.html

my blog in general:

http://antifon.blogspot.com

Rubbish, do they have a binding international agreement?

What like the Ankara Protocol? Oh! I know! How about the one which says it gaurantees Cypriot sovereignty!

Pretty much the same you GCs reneged on the 1960 agreements as well.

[antifon]

antifon check the "RoC" constitution which has the GCs signature on it.

We each have to answer the question for ourselves. You answered it very clearly. Thank you.

And your answer is?

I try to answer it here (scroll down a bit):

http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/01/tri ... hobia.html

and here

http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/bal ... alone.html

my blog in general:

http://antifon.blogspot.com

Rubbish, do they have a binding international agreement?

What like the Ankara Protocol? Oh! I know! How about the one which says it gaurantees Cypriot sovereignty!

Pretty much the same you GCs reneged on the 1960 agreements as well.

The fact of the matter we need to sit down and discuss. Like a brainstorming session, but with an agenda of sorts. A document that addresses the imperfections of the current constitution and aims to improve them, albeit from the majority's perspective. But it is a basis. The minority can come with its own ideas on how to improve the document. At the end of the day, the current constitution, the hijacked one the minority will say, works and was even used for Cyprus to be accepted into the European Union. Therefore, it can't be all that bad.

The guy you see, whose agenda we should use to get us started, although he was wrong for insisting to wear the robe after entering politics, if not his biggest mistake for sure his earliest one as a politician, may have been a man under enormous pressures emanating from friends and foes alike, but he was fair and was able to articulate wisely in 1963 all those things which prevented the smooth functioning of the state back in the early stages of the Republic.

A friend recently told me that he was responsible for sinking his dad's boat in 1964, off the Keryneia harbor, for no other reason than belonging to a Turkish Cypriot. And many others accuse him of far worse stuff. What can I say? He may have been drinking, but who can blame the guy with all the EOKA-TMT-TSK-RAF-XXX s... he was up against?

Let's discuss what we should have discussed a long, long time ago. No need to drop our current positions or states and statelets. We can even use the limos to go to the brainstorming sessions. But let's discuss the documents, the 60 one and the 63 one, that we understand far better than we will ever understand a complicated federation concoction that attempts to bridge unbridgeable positions and to justify the unjustifiable by introducing complexities inconceivable in nature and applicability when measured against our original constitution. Not least of the complexities is the transition from 1960 to the unknown. The associated risk is just too great!


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[Viewpoint]

You are the ones who opposed using Aktritas and renged on these agreements, not even adhering to your own supreme court decisions, whats to discuss?

[antifon]

You are the ones who opposed using Aktritas and renged on these agreements, not even adhering to your own supreme court decisions, whats to discuss?

The Akritas candy is getting too old. It convinces not even the majority of T-Cypriots. Your brief answer shows that you did not even read the 1963 document. It is the real thing. Try it. May be you will even appreciate the man behind the robe.

The fact is that no matter the magnitude of your suffering nothing gives you the right to turn towns like LAPITHOS, KERYNEIA, MORFOU, etc., majority Greek [or entirely Greek] with distinct Greek character and history, into Turkish towns.

There is absolutely ZERO ethos in living in my home without my consent and preventing me from returning.

Read some more thoughts here:

http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/01/to- ... heart.html

& an exchnage on the Cyprus Mail website here:

http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/01/lea ... yprus.html



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[Viewpoint]

You are the ones who opposed using Aktritas and renged on these agreements, not even adhering to your own supreme court decisions, whats to discuss?

The Akritas candy is getting too old. It convinces not even the majority of T-Cypriots. Your brief answer shows that you did not even read the 1963 document. It is the real thing. Try it. May be you will even appreciate the man behind the robe.

The fact is that no matter the magnitude of your suffering nothing gives you the right to turn towns like LAPITHOS, KERYNEIA, MORFOU, etc., majority Greek [or entirely Greek] with distinct Greek character and history, into Turkish towns.

There is absolutely ZERO ethos in living in my home without my consent and preventing me from returning.

Read some more thoughts here:

http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/01/to- ... heart.html

& an exchnage on the Cyprus Mail website here:

http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/01/lea ... yprus.html



http://antifon.blogspot.com





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I do appreciate you right to your home and hopefully one day you will get it back you can always apply to the IPC for its return or compensation but you have mine and I have to jump through GC hoops in order to get it. The point you seem to disregard all together is that private property rights and sovereignty are two totally different matters. We TCs have just as much right to sovereignty as you do, if the international agreement has put weight of the the partnership at 70% 30% then we have a right to this 30% which we have put forward in nearly all the negotiations that have been going on, if you recall the AP reduced the TC state to 29% there's a good reason for this. It times you realised you have to share this island we tried living together it did not work but living side by side has worked for over 37 years, must tell you something.

[Get Real!]

The Akritas candy is getting too old. It convinces not even the majority of T-Cypriots.

If I don’t trust an EOKAVITAS like you, what makes you think a Turk would?

[antifon]

The Akritas candy is getting too old. It convinces not even the majority of T-Cypriots.

If I don’t trust an EOKAVITAS like you, what makes you think a Turk would?

True! Didn't occur to me. Thank you.





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[antifon]

Why should an 18% (today down to 65.000 souls or less than 10%) community's language be an official language of a country & that of a 22% ethnic community (18.000.000) not?

Why Turkey's perspective differs in the case of Cyprus' 18% ethnic minority of T-Cypriots and her own 22% ethnic minority of Kurds?

Why? Anyone?