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[boulio]

I think the Americans have interest in cyprus(thru the SBA)THE AMERICANS i believe want cyprus to be controlled thru a weak govt and turkey having rights in cyprus(annan plan).When the americans and british say they dont want partition i think there saying not because its the right thing but because if the ROC says tommorow to the t/c lets split it up 80-20 ,75-25 whatever the americans and british know that it will be matter of hours when they get a eviction notice for the SBA.YOU CAN SAY WELL THEY will go to the north sure they will but then again the ROC can say you know what let france have a base in the south or russia.so the us uk(nato) presence in the eastern med will be dilluted.

[HBarbaros]

:) the answer is obvious here dear deniz.


"Now let's discuss what happened at Liveras and Kolya Chiflik. This was
entirely against our wishes and very damaging to our aims. Properly those
who did it should be arrested and tried for murder. But we're talking about
men who a lot of our people, particularly the right wing, regard as heroes.
Trying to bring them to public trial now could lead to civil war and a much
worse situation than we already have.
"The only alternative we can see is for a secret drumhead court-martial
with powers of capital punishment. That's how it would have been dealt with
during the EOKA struggle. But now all of us here, whether or not we used to
be part of EOKA, are politicians, with hopes to lead the country in the future.

I almost feel sorry for their helplessness. However how about those who were picked up by police never to be seen again. Did they have no power over the police either?

[Klik]

I think the Americans have interest in cyprus(thru the SBA)THE AMERICANS i believe want cyprus to be controlled thru a weak govt and turkey having rights in cyprus(annan plan).When the americans and british say they dont want partition i think there saying not because its the right thing but because if the ROC says tommorow to the t/c lets split it up 80-20 ,75-25 whatever the americans and british know that it will be matter of hours when they get a eviction notice for the SBA.YOU CAN SAY WELL THEY will go to the north sure they will but then again the ROC can say you know what let france have a base in the south or russia.so the us uk(nato) presence in the eastern med will be dilluted.

Check my topic on "why Cyprus was really invaded"

[denizaksulu]

:) the answer is obvious here dear deniz.


"Now let's discuss what happened at Liveras and Kolya Chiflik. This was
entirely against our wishes and very damaging to our aims. Properly those
who did it should be arrested and tried for murder. But we're talking about
men who a lot of our people, particularly the right wing, regard as heroes.
Trying to bring them to public trial now could lead to civil war and a much
worse situation than we already have.
"The only alternative we can see is for a secret drumhead court-martial
with powers of capital punishment. That's how it would have been dealt with
during the EOKA struggle. But now all of us here, whether or not we used to
be part of EOKA, are politicians, with hopes to lead the country in the future.

I almost feel sorry for their helplessness. However how about those who were picked up by police never to be seen again. Did they have no power over the police either?

Most of the mis-deeds were carried out by members of the 'auxillaries' admitted to help the regular police force and the 'secret army'. These were usually not properly trained and were mostly ex-EOKA. (according to Major Packard and Major Michos).

[HBarbaros]

:) the answer is obvious here dear deniz.


"Now let's discuss what happened at Liveras and Kolya Chiflik. This was
entirely against our wishes and very damaging to our aims. Properly those
who did it should be arrested and tried for murder. But we're talking about
men who a lot of our people, particularly the right wing, regard as heroes.
Trying to bring them to public trial now could lead to civil war and a much
worse situation than we already have.
"The only alternative we can see is for a secret drumhead court-martial
with powers of capital punishment. That's how it would have been dealt with
during the EOKA struggle. But now all of us here, whether or not we used to
be part of EOKA, are politicians, with hopes to lead the country in the future.

I almost feel sorry for their helplessness. However how about those who were picked up by police never to be seen again. Did they have no power over the police either?

Most of the mis-deeds were carried out by members of the 'auxillaries' admitted to help the regular police force and the 'secret army'. These were usually not properly trained and were mostly ex-EOKA. (according to Major Packard and Major Michos).

That may be so but I am aware of 5 people who were seen being picked up by police and never been seen since. It is simply not true to say they were out of control people.

[quattro]

this also is a nice piece of evidence from Packard

[Piratis]

:) the answer is obvious here dear deniz.


"Now let's discuss what happened at Liveras and Kolya Chiflik. This was
entirely against our wishes and very damaging to our aims. Properly those
who did it should be arrested and tried for murder. But we're talking about
men who a lot of our people, particularly the right wing, regard as heroes.
Trying to bring them to public trial now could lead to civil war and a much
worse situation than we already have.
"The only alternative we can see is for a secret drumhead court-martial
with powers of capital punishment. That's how it would have been dealt with
during the EOKA struggle. But now all of us here, whether or not we used to
be part of EOKA, are politicians, with hopes to lead the country in the future.

I almost feel sorry for their helplessness. However how about those who were picked up by police never to be seen again. Did they have no power over the police either?

Most of the mis-deeds were carried out by members of the 'auxillaries' admitted to help the regular police force and the 'secret army'. These were usually not properly trained and were mostly ex-EOKA. (according to Major Packard and Major Michos).

That may be so but I am aware of 5 people who were seen being picked up by police and never been seen since. It is simply not true to say they were out of control people.

Maybe it was something similar with how the police acted during British rule, when in 1958 they arrested 8 GCs and then they dumped them next to a TC village and the TCs killed them. In other worlds the police wouldn't kill them, but they wouldn't care much about their security either.

[Nikitas]

Deniz said:

"Did the Americans really fear the 'communists' as late as 1974? What paranoia is this? I knew I hated American foreign policies since I was a kid, but now...........flippin 'eck."

Do you not recall Reagans rantings about the empire of evil? The star wars initiative that finally bankrupted the Soviets? OF course there was anticommunist neurosis "as late as 1974".

The officers that controlled the National Guard were all fervent anticommuniss, many of them veterans of the Greek Civil War. Their main duty in Cyprus was internal "secutiry" not to fight off any invasion. Grivas, being a Cypriot, upset the apple cart, he actually believed there was a threat and organized the NG to fight. Well you know what happened to him in 1968 and all the defensive preparations.

But to get back to the US involvement. Obviously no one can be prosecuted now, because in their defence they will have to cite the sources of their funding, the guidance to organize and the training they received. And eventually the thread will get back to you know who. So the parliamentary inquiries into the CYprus file get closed with a phrase "it would be detrimental to the national interest and the ALLIANCES of the nation".

[Nikitas]

As for the comments on independence and control of the island, everyone's nightmare is truly independent state in CYprus, regardless of whether it controls the whole or part of the island.

Ecevit said as much in 1974, others repeated it indirectly time and again. THey all want a BBF, with guarantors no doubt, so the Cypriots can be under control. The reason the TRNC is not getting recognition is precisely because it would then lead to a fully independent GC controlled south, with no guarantees and no allegiances to any block.

And of all the outsiders, the ones that fear this possibility the most are the Turks.

[denizaksulu]

:) the answer is obvious here dear deniz.


"Now let's discuss what happened at Liveras and Kolya Chiflik. This was
entirely against our wishes and very damaging to our aims. Properly those
who did it should be arrested and tried for murder. But we're talking about
men who a lot of our people, particularly the right wing, regard as heroes.
Trying to bring them to public trial now could lead to civil war and a much
worse situation than we already have.
"The only alternative we can see is for a secret drumhead court-martial
with powers of capital punishment. That's how it would have been dealt with
during the EOKA struggle. But now all of us here, whether or not we used to
be part of EOKA, are politicians, with hopes to lead the country in the future.

I almost feel sorry for their helplessness. However how about those who were picked up by police never to be seen again. Did they have no power over the police either?

Most of the mis-deeds were carried out by members of the 'auxillaries' admitted to help the regular police force and the 'secret army'. These were usually not properly trained and were mostly ex-EOKA. (according to Major Packard and Major Michos).

That may be so but I am aware of 5 people who were seen being picked up by police and never been seen since. It is simply not true to say they were out of control people.

I know they were picked up willy nilly, left right and centre, never to be seen again. Whether those at the top condoned these actions is open to debate. Most TC politicians including Dr. Küçük seem to have trust ın Tasos Papadolpulos. Same with Major Packard. Unless ofcourse they were all hoodwinked.