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Re: You are right....

Postby Kikapu » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:22 am

cymart wrote:The problem is that many of its provisions are so complex and leave room for so many various interpretations that reading it is enough to put anyone off!
But it was so excessively derided and cursed by the leadership in power at that time on the G.C. side to such an extent that it made some people here believe that anything other than the present status-quo will be worse that what they have now.....this is the major disadvantage its legacy has left and will be a major hurdle when any feasible agreement is presented that both sides can accept!
But what cannot be denied is that if it had gone through,all the territory of Cyprus would have actively been made part of the E.U(except for the British Bases).,rather than just the south because the acquis is suspended in the north.


You are of course making the assumption that, had the AP went through, that the "United Cyprus" would have been in the EU at all. Don't forget, that it was the RoC that applied and was accepted to become a EU member and not the so called "United Cyprus". The EU would have been in their right to deny Cyprus entry into the EU, knowing full well that Turkey would have had full control of the north state to do as she wanted and also have influence over the whole island. The EU would not have taken any chances to accept the new "United Cyprus" as a member and opening a "hornets nests" of unknowns with Turkey.!
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Re: You are right....

Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:28 am

Kikapu wrote:
cymart wrote:The problem is that many of its provisions are so complex and leave room for so many various interpretations that reading it is enough to put anyone off!
But it was so excessively derided and cursed by the leadership in power at that time on the G.C. side to such an extent that it made some people here believe that anything other than the present status-quo will be worse that what they have now.....this is the major disadvantage its legacy has left and will be a major hurdle when any feasible agreement is presented that both sides can accept!
But what cannot be denied is that if it had gone through,all the territory of Cyprus would have actively been made part of the E.U(except for the British Bases).,rather than just the south because the acquis is suspended in the north.


You are of course making the assumption that, had the AP went through, that the "United Cyprus" would have been in the EU at all. Don't forget, that it was the RoC that applied and was accepted to become a EU member and not the so called "United Cyprus". The EU would have been in their right to deny Cyprus entry into the EU, knowing full well that Turkey would have had full control of the north state to do as she wanted and also have influence over the whole island. The EU would not have taken any chances to accept the new "United Cyprus" as a member and opening a "hornets nests" of unknowns with Turkey.!


Can you explain to us exactly how Turkey would control the north state? once the financial dependency cord was cut?
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Re: You are right....

Postby Get Real! » Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:41 am

Viewpoint wrote:Can you explain to us exactly how Turkey would control the north state? once the financial dependency cord was cut?

She has already implanted a significant number of her citizens in Cyprus so use your imagination! :lol:
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Re: You are right....

Postby insan » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:20 am

Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Can you explain to us exactly how Turkey would control the north state? once the financial dependency cord was cut?

She has already implanted a significant number of her citizens in Cyprus so use your imagination! :lol:


In this case u need to use ur imagination to really understand that TCs were always a part of Turkey's citizens... Our ancestors came to settle in Cyprus from different regions of Anatolia which was then under the Ottoman rule... we most probably have a very mixed ethnic origin Turk-Hittite-Greek-Armenian-Assyrian-Arabic-Kurdish etc but our ancestors were Turkic...

These Turkic people that settled in Cyprus have always had natural allegiance to Ottoman Empire... Could it be any different? Impossible! It's like going against the grain!

When Cyprus was under British rule and GCs(Grecophones) naturally were shouting/asking/propagating for Enosis not for freedom of Choirokittian island; naturally the Turkic people of Cyprus TCs asking/shouting/propagating for cession of Cyprus to Ottoman empire and later to Republic of Turkey...

What could they do? Help GCs for Enosis with Greece? :lol: Could GCs help TCs cession of Cyprus to RoT? Impossible!

Could Brits leave strategically important island Cyprus to it's people, under then or even current circumstances? Impossible!

Could TCs have allgiance to British Empire that unilaterally annexed Cyprus to British Empire? impossible!

Why should TCs have allegiance to RoC while the hearts of some GC and Greek political groups were beating for Enosis?

Everything surrounding TCs in Cyprus was pushing TC leadership and all Turkic people, except Kikapu and the likes;had/have allegiance to RoT...

Why do Kikapu and the likes had/have allegiance to RoC? I don't think it's a political matter... most probably it is a personal matter... maybe ancestral... maybe commercial...

In fine, how much a citizen of Turkey had/have or will have allegiance to then or current or future governments of Turkey; that much the TCs and the so-called Turkic settlers who settled in Cyprus after 1974 had/have or will have allegiance to Turkey...
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Postby Klik » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:43 am

So you're basically saying that Greeks have more right than Turks to be here ;)
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Re: You are right....

Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:58 am

insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Can you explain to us exactly how Turkey would control the north state? once the financial dependency cord was cut?

She has already implanted a significant number of her citizens in Cyprus so use your imagination! :lol:


In this case u need to use ur imagination to really understand that TCs were always a part of Turkey's citizens... Our ancestors came to settle in Cyprus from different regions of Anatolia which was then under the Ottoman rule... we most probably have a very mixed ethnic origin Turk-Hittite-Greek-Armenian-Assyrian-Arabic-Kurdish etc but our ancestors were Turkic...

These Turkic people that settled in Cyprus have always had natural allegiance to Ottoman Empire... Could it be any different? Impossible! It's like going against the grain!

Then you’ve answered VP’s question twice better than I have, because I even gave TCs the benefit of allegiance with the Mainlanders being the potential problem!

You on the other hand have verified that neither can ever be trusted! :lol:
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:37 pm

Cymart wrote:

"The problem is that many of its provisions are so complex and leave room for so many various interpretations that reading it is enough to put anyone off! "

Not only the complexity of the wording. It was also some details, and the devil hides in those. Like:

the insistence of the Turkish army to retain a crushing firepower advantage during the interim stages. Why?

The convoluted and imossible to police demarcation line with dozens of salients.

The continued division of the GC "constituent state" into at least two distinct parts, three if the Karpasia option was chosen. Leaving the TC "constituent state" as the only contiguous part of the island. Why?

The granting of ADDITIONAL territory to the SBAs in the form of extended territorial waters and Exclusive Economic Zones. Now we know the why of that one, because oil and gas were discovred PRECISELY in the projected EEZ of the Dhekelia base.

I am leaving out the consitutiona provision because I regard those as gloss, to be quickly rejected at the first opportunity by the TCs who will then declare secession and independence.

THe point is to retain such land area and cohesion that when the TCs secede there will be a viable state left in the south. Anything else is daydreaming. If anyone doubts it they can refer to the latest interpretation of the word FEDERAL to be extracted from Eoroglu's recent statements.
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Re: You are right....

Postby Kikapu » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:41 pm

Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Can you explain to us exactly how Turkey would control the north state? once the financial dependency cord was cut?

She has already implanted a significant number of her citizens in Cyprus so use your imagination! :lol:


In this case u need to use ur imagination to really understand that TCs were always a part of Turkey's citizens... Our ancestors came to settle in Cyprus from different regions of Anatolia which was then under the Ottoman rule... we most probably have a very mixed ethnic origin Turk-Hittite-Greek-Armenian-Assyrian-Arabic-Kurdish etc but our ancestors were Turkic...

These Turkic people that settled in Cyprus have always had natural allegiance to Ottoman Empire... Could it be any different? Impossible! It's like going against the grain!

Then you’ve answered VP’s question twice better than I have, because I even gave TCs the benefit of allegiance with the Mainlanders being the potential problem!

You on the other hand have verified that neither can ever be trusted! :lol:


Insan not only scored an own goal, again, as the case is so often with the likes of the above post, but this time he managed to get a "Hat Trick".! :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:37 pm

No one has yet to explain exactly how they will have control over the whole of Cyprus if we were to ever unite? Do you really believe the population will vote against anything that will make their lives better because Turkey tells them to do so? if you do you are out right stupid.
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Re: You are right....

Postby insan » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:54 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Can you explain to us exactly how Turkey would control the north state? once the financial dependency cord was cut?

She has already implanted a significant number of her citizens in Cyprus so use your imagination! :lol:


In this case u need to use ur imagination to really understand that TCs were always a part of Turkey's citizens... Our ancestors came to settle in Cyprus from different regions of Anatolia which was then under the Ottoman rule... we most probably have a very mixed ethnic origin Turk-Hittite-Greek-Armenian-Assyrian-Arabic-Kurdish etc but our ancestors were Turkic...

These Turkic people that settled in Cyprus have always had natural allegiance to Ottoman Empire... Could it be any different? Impossible! It's like going against the grain!

Then you’ve answered VP’s question twice better than I have, because I even gave TCs the benefit of allegiance with the Mainlanders being the potential problem!

You on the other hand have verified that neither can ever be trusted! :lol:


Insan not only scored an own goal, again, as the case is so often with the likes of the above post, but this time he managed to get a "Hat Trick".! :roll: :roll: :roll:


It seems u have offended, Kikapu... :roll: What goal scoring u talk about?

What i basically tried to tell is very clear... the so-called Turkic settlers that have different and mixed ethnic origins like us TCs which have various degrees of allegiance towards this or that government(s) of Turkey because of various reasons but mainly because it's been just over a century after the Ottoman rule; has nothing to do with what GR claimed that as if Turkish governments since 1974 have been "implanting" her citizens in Cyprus to take control of Northern Cyprus...
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