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[Get Real!]

So, according to this B24 fool, the reason he did not vote for solution in 2004 is because Turkey would have not honoured the agreement. What a gem!

Peddling foreign-serving undemocratic political arrangements in contravention to international law, while claiming to be Cypriot is an even bigger gem!

[Oracle]

In 2004 they gave it back to us and we said "no thanks" ...

Didn't your mama warn you about accepting "gifts" from strangers?

How can it become a gift if it already belongs to us Cypriots?

Ask Bananiot. He's the one who seems to think Turkey owns parts of Cyprus and is doing us a kindness to "give them back to us" - no strings attached.

It WAS 'offered' as part of a deal which was turned down. Where did that get the RoC? Some will think that it has been lost for ever. I hope not but my hopes have been dashed many a times.

Only a fool would believe that accepting back a tiny bit of our occupied areas would free the rest of our island. It would have sealed the "partition" and obliged us to relinquish the rest of our country.

That may be your paranoia. One step at a time I would say. It would not be the end of negotiations. It is a matter of trust between the two parties. Take a bit here give a bit there, establish some trust - it can go a long way.

I knew the Annan plan would not be acceptsd by the majority of the islanders; I would not have either if I were in your shoes; but you have to win trust and and establish a stepping stone for further talks.

Oh yeah right. Because Turkey only invaded to then give us our land back, piece by piece, with nothing in it for them!

Further talks would have dealt with that problem.

40 years of talk and zilch, and you would have us believe the Turks talk and give?

Even Erdogan hasn't any power ...

[denizaksulu]

Whatever the thread title the subject invariably is the same (in most cases) Why bother with Thread names?

[Gasman]

Whatever the thread title the subject invariably is the same (in most cases) Why bother with Thread names?

Agree.

However, if you CRAVE attention and cannot get it within a thread - you can always do what Oracle does and start one naming and personally attacking another forum member.

As long as your name is Oracle, or Phoenix, or Chimera, or a host of others that are all hers ...

You will get away with it and might even get the attention YOU CRAVE.

[denizaksulu]

Whatever the thread title the subject invariably is the same (in most cases) Why bother with Thread names?

Agree.

However, if you CRAVE attention and cannot get it within a thread - you can always do what Oracle does and start one naming and personally attacking another forum member.

As long as your name is Oracle, or Phoenix, or Chimera, or a host of others that are all hers ...

You will get away with it and might even get the attention YOU CRAVE.

Eureka...................I have an idea

[B25]

So, according to this B24 fool, the reason he did not vote for solution in 2004 is because Turkey would have not honoured the agreement. What a gem!

Only a total moron like you would read it like that. You are the one bleating how we could have had it all back, I was correcting your stupid thesis by highlight how you arse routing fellow turks would never have given anything back.

And if you wish to insult me, at least get my handle right. Plonker

[Nikitas]

Bananiot, the others here might not remember the Annan plan maps, I do.

The area of Varosha returned was NOT the whole city, a substantial swath was to be kept from its righful owners. Same goes the the Morphou area, where a convoluted demarcation line dipped and pitched through the area. The demarcation line as presented by the plan was practically impossible to police and enforce.

In addition Famagusta and the area to the south was still cut off by the British base with some ridiculous provisions made for underpasses and flyovers.

It might be your take Bananiot that the cynicism of the mainland Turkish side should be taken as a given in this negotiation, something unchangeable like the weather, which is your right, but it is one hell of a way to plan a partnership.

[cymart]

Bananiot is right that many Greek-Cypriot refugees would have had the right to go back by now(and under Greek-Cypriot control) if things in 2004 had gone differently AND most of the Turkish forces would have left the island but......
Rather surprisingly,only last week someone in Paphos who I have known for years and is a respected and well-known secondary school teacher with a lot of property here commented that much of the economic woes and demise the island is now facing,with Paphos being worst affected is connected with our failure to achieve a solution to the Cyprus question?When I asked him to elaborate he openly said it was a major blunder to reject outright the Annan Plan in 2004,adding that we should have at least asked for a few months to renegotiate some of the points which we considered unworkable,rather than try to start from the beginning as Christophias has done....he also said that he blames him and not Papadopoulos for our plight because he was the person who got him elected in 2003,rather than allow Clerides the 10 months he was demanding to finalise negotiations on a solution!He also said he has no trust that Christophias will not back-down again when the crunch comes in order to keep DIKOS support to sat in power,just as he changed sides on Good Friday 2004 by calling for a 'No' vote,rather than risk losing AKELS share of power if he opposed Papadopoulos and there was still a No vote!
Unless the parliamentary elections in May reduce DIKOS influence and he then decides to do what he should have done from the beginning and form a coalition with DISY to get a solution approved?
I was amazed to hear this from a Greek-Cypriot in Paphos,especially as I had always presumed he was a staunch 'no' voter?We also discussed some other points but these were the main ones.
On the other hand the first posting under this thread is an example of provocation and bad faith which I don't think should be taken seriously as its suggestions are totally unrealistic and would only gain a lot of negative kudos for Turkey!It is also obvious that the closed area of Varosha is being kept as a bargaining chip for when a solution is finally reached and foreign powers have agreed on this with Ankara since 1974, so opening it up is not on the cards for the foreseeable future or they would have done it years ago!
I have not posted on this forum for a while because quite frankly,some of the comments expressed by certain people on both sides reflect not only political immaturity,but also an absence of logic and constructive thought and any goodwill, something which is desperately needed more than anything else if the situation on this accursed island is ever to change for the better!

[B25]

Cymart, welcome back.

One persons opinion does not cut it. 76% of the GC population vote a resounding NO! That cuts it.

Anything involving, Turkisg guarantees, settlers to stay and turkish army here is a NO NO, and it doesn't matter how you or anyone else wants to paint it.

Papodopoulos saved Cyprus from falling into Turkish hands, period. Whatever he was or did, he did us a bloody big favour in 2004, may he rest in peace.

[cymart]

You are living in a dream world and are a typical example of the kind of Greek-Cypriots who have ruined this country...why not emigrate to Greece and join ELAM?
Or try to see the other point of view at least!
Baris ve Dostluk.......filia kai erini....