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[CBBB]

I would not come to a hasty conclusion as above. First of all, it is obvious that English is not Libertys' first language.

Unless you think or have proof that Liberty = Yfred.

No proof, but definite indications. The correct level of idiocy is there for sure!

[supporttheunderdog]

I thought i knew much about the CyProb by following the debates.

, the Turks invaded, causing a defacto partioning of the Island and promoting further ethnic cleansing with thousand of G/C forced to flee South.

Are you saying there was ethnic cleansing before 1974 which favoured the Turks?

Sadly the Greeks and some Greek Cypriots did not abandon Enosis/Annexation by Greece,

Why is this "sadly" if that was their wish? Should they have abandoned their wishes at the outset to avoid provocation?

Sadly the T/C are still big sufferers since they are now being ethnically cleansed from the Psuedo state by Anatolian Turks, who are taking all of the Jobs.

I do not think competition for "Jobs" can be equated with ethnic cleansing. Why do you feel the need to trivialise what the invasion has accomplished?

Ah Liberty, now you have proven what others have suggested, that you your first post was disingenuous.

[denizaksulu]

I would not come to a hasty conclusion as above. First of all, it is obvious that English is not Libertys' first language.

Unless you think or have proof that Liberty = Yfred.

No proof, but definite indications. The correct level of idiocy is there for sure!

The use of the English language HAS improved. Hmmmmmmmmmm!!

[supporttheunderdog]

In essence any Turkish Cypriot either permantly living in the unoccupied areas or overseas can apply for the return of their property.

see this : http://www.crisisgroup.org/~/media/File ... ivide.ashx

How long do we have to reside in the GC south before we are eligible?

Which courts do we have to go to in order to seek justice?

Talk to a lawyer -but I think the residence period may be six months - you will otherwise no doubt be aware that court action both in the ROC and the ECHR has had some success in enabling some T/C to recover their land and property.

[Oracle]

In essence any Turkish Cypriot either permantly living in the unoccupied areas or overseas can apply for the return of their property.

see this : http://www.crisisgroup.org/~/media/File ... ivide.ashx

How long do we have to reside in the GC south before we are eligible?

Which courts do we have to go to in order to seek justice?

Talk to a lawyer -but I think the residence period may be six months - you will otherwise no doubt be aware that court action both in the ROC and the ECHR has had some success in enabling some T/C to recover their land and property.

But, Viewpoint has already told us all his property is in the north.

[ZoC]

wot a f*cking liberty! hey, "newbie". show some respect.

if ur interested in the cyprob, do some googling, read some history... before coming here posing ur leading questions.

hade... anemon stin vraga!

[Oracle]

I thought i knew much about the CyProb by following the debates.

, the Turks invaded, causing a defacto partioning of the Island and promoting further ethnic cleansing with thousand of G/C forced to flee South.

Are you saying there was ethnic cleansing before 1974 which favoured the Turks?

Sadly the Greeks and some Greek Cypriots did not abandon Enosis/Annexation by Greece,

Why is this "sadly" if that was their wish? Should they have abandoned their wishes at the outset to avoid provocation?

Sadly the T/C are still big sufferers since they are now being ethnically cleansed from the Psuedo state by Anatolian Turks, who are taking all of the Jobs.

I do not think competition for "Jobs" can be equated with ethnic cleansing. Why do you feel the need to trivialise what the invasion has accomplished?

Ah Liberty, now you have proven what others have suggested, that you your first post was disingenuous.

Stuck for answers?

Doesn't sound disingenuous to me for this person to question that idiotic statement by Denktash, which would confuse anyone but a deluded, revisionist Turk.

[Gasman]

Some TC property taken to construct highway and some for part of the airport?

You forgot to mention lots for parking, parks, army camps and other roads.

I suggest you actually get out and see a bit more of Cyprus and you could start with some of the TC cemeteries that have been vandalised and some of the mosques that are not being kept in lovely condition and some of the old villages where properties have been virtually razed to the ground (or altered out of all recognition to turn them into tavernas and other businesses).

I really don't understand this insistence by (some) GCs that the TCs are stealing/ruining everything that belonged to them in the North but the GCs are carefully 'preserving' and caring for everything that belonged to the TCs in the South.

Why? When it is patently not TRUE.

Both sides to own up to what they've done.

[supporttheunderdog]

Stuck for answers?

No

I thought i knew much about the CyProb by following the debates.

Well you live and learn, as we all do, or should.

, the Turks invaded, causing a de facto partitioning of the Island and promoting further ethnic cleansing with thousand of G/C forced to flee South.

Are you saying there was ethnic cleansing before 1974 which favoured the Turks?

No

Sadly the Greeks and some Greek Cypriots did not abandon Enosis/Annexation by Greece,

Why is this "sadly" if that was their wish? Should they have abandoned their wishes at the outset to avoid provocation?

A line should have been drawn in 1960 - that was what agreed - sadly because the pursuit of Enosis created the excuse for the continuation of Takism and created the excuse for the invasion. As I pointed out in another recent post, particularly since 1955 Turkey has made it clear it was never going to permit Enosis - they considered Greek possession of Cyprus was inimical to Turkish interests. Indeed as I understand it, at least one Turdish minister made it clear that the presence of Turkish speaking Cypriots on the Island made no difference: It simply provided an opportunity to exploit.

It was I understand T/C's who committed the first acts of intercommunal violence in 1958.

Sadly the T/C are still big sufferers since they are now being ethnically cleansed from the Pseudo state by Anatolian Turks, who are taking all of the Jobs.

I do not think competition for "Jobs" can be equated with ethnic cleansing. Why do you feel the need to trivialise what the invasion has accomplished?

Competition is one thing but when the Turkish government in Ankara is reportedly insisting on a proportion of jobs being given to the settlers, I think up to 50% of Government jobs, it only demonstrates the so called "TRNC" is a sham Pseudo state with no real independence, and will only assist in encouraging T/C's to leave, being pushed out by the Anatolians.

Doesn't sound disingenuous to me for this person to question that idiotic statement by Denktash, which would confuse anyone but a deluded, revisionist Turk.

It is disingenuous if the poster is claiming to be newbie to the Cyprob, when they are probably not.

[Jerry]

Some TC property taken to construct highway and some for part of the airport?

You forgot to mention lots for parking, parks, army camps and other roads.

I suggest you actually get out and see a bit more of Cyprus and you could start with some of the TC cemeteries that have been vandalised and some of the mosques that are not being kept in lovely condition and some of the old villages where properties have been virtually razed to the ground (or altered out of all recognition to turn them into tavernas and other businesses).

I really don't understand this insistence by (some) GCs that the TCs are stealing/ruining everything that belonged to them in the North but the GCs are carefully 'preserving' and caring for everything that belonged to the TCs in the South.

Why? When it is patently not TRUE.

Both sides to own up to what they've done.

Gasman the destruction and vandalism has to be condemned wherever it takes place on the island. The difference between north and south is that the "trnc" has made a business of selling off GC land. Changing the demographics of the island, as practiced in the north, is not conducive to settling the Cyprus problem, it is only one step away from one achieved by force.

I've been reading David Hannay's book (courtesy of Boomers). You should take a look, it clearly shows that Denktash's "policy" was the biggest obstacle to solving the problem for most of the time.

One example of many: -
And although Holbrooke in his press conference before
leaving the island took a carefully even-handed approach, within days of
his return to the United States he made it clear publicly that the main
obstacle to his making any progress had been Denktash, who, he said, had
wanted the main fruits of the negotiation to be delivered to him in ad-
vance without ever sitting down at the negotiating table. 'The Turkish
Cypriot side took a series of positions which amounted to making as
preconditions for negotiations things which the negotiation was supposed
to be about. Well that effectively freezes negotiations. You can't negotiate
if the preconditions for a negotiation are the outcome itself.'