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A realistic solution,as far as I can see,will have to satisfy 2 conditions...

One: Safeguarding the TC political majority in the TC constituent state;
and
Two: Maintaining Turkey's guarantee...

Everything else will be negotiable,and with goodwill not impossible to agree upon...

And let me issue another warning to those who are threatening us with the status quo...The status quo will not remain the same for long...When Turkey finally closes the door on the EU,she will start agitating for the recognition of the trnc....With Turkey's growing influence in the region I wouldnt be surprised if certain friendly nations begin recognising and trading with the trnc...Then we can all kiss goddbye to any hopes of reunification...

BBF under the UNSC resolution gives the north state that majority power to the TCs, but to achieve that as I stated in my BBF plan, the north will need to give back at least 50% of the north to become part of the south state just to try and comply with the EU Principles. So far the north does not want to return very much, even if we are to ignore what Erdogan said recently of not giving a gram of the north back.

On Turkey's security, she has proved to be trustworthy to keep her commitments, but it does not mean there shouldn't be any security provided to give the TCs the security they need. NATO force could do just that. Of course, if Turkey does not want peace in Cyprus, she would insist that only she can provide security for the TCs and for the whole island. Turkey wants to provide "security" for the whole island as per what the AP had and what Eroglu has stated recently.

There is no way in the world Turkey would ask for recognition of the north, or else, she would have done it long time ago. Sure she wants the north to have direct trade with others just to take the burden off herself economically, but to ask for recognition is when Turkey will lose any hope of having any say so in the future on the whole island as well as losing any hope of being in the EU. Besides, major players will not allow the north to become recognised. That much is agreed on, if nothing else. Turkey does not have any say so in the RoC now and she does not like it one little bit when the RoC is making deals with neighbouring countries left and right. Imagine what would happen if there was an official partition.? The RoC would kick the British out and invite another country/countries into Cyprus to base their military, like Greece and Israel for example, which is what Turkey does not want. And for the TCs, where would they end up.? They will have their RoC citizenship's revoked and kicked out of the EU as EU citizens and left to defend for themselves amongst the swamp of settlers in the north. Not a very pretty picture my friend, specially for us TCs.!

I am talking about a different scenario,Kikapu...A time (and it will arrive soon) when Turkey finally finds the courage to admit she doesnt really want to join the EU...When I say Turkey I mean the AKP and Erdogan,of course...when that happens it will be inconcievable for Turkey to allow the RoC to have free hits against her in the world stage..There will be a concerted effort to push the TC arguments forward,and try to get the trnc recognised by the friendly countries who will find it diffcult to say OXI to a resurging regional power...The geopolitical considerations of the past (the ones based on EU considerations) would not be applicable...Then we will see some surprising initiatives from the Turkish side...This will happen within the next 20 years,and some of us will be here to witness it...So lets wait and see,my friend...

Well, lets wait and see my friend. They say that 2 weeks is a long time in politics, let alone 20 years. As I've stated before, that unless the TCs (Turkey) are ready to walk away from their Taksim dreams, there cannot be a fully democratic Cyprus for all Cypriots to live in peace. So far, the Taksim Dreams are still alive in the north, are the reasons as to why they want different counties model's specific parts that are being sought by the north for a settlement and not the whole democratic principle package, because in doing so, it would keep the Taksim Dreams alive. In the meantime, the TCs are getting nowhere fast for a stable and better future for their children.!

By the way, I meant to say "untrustworthy" on Turkey's part to provide security for the TCs/Cyprus in the future in my last post. I'm sure you understood what I meant in the first place.!

How conveniently you forget that the result we have today was contributed to by your bum chums the GCs, they wanted enosis in response we wanted taksim, the compromise is BBF.....have you actually grasped this point?

[Kikapu]

A realistic solution,as far as I can see,will have to satisfy 2 conditions...

One: Safeguarding the TC political majority in the TC constituent state;
and
Two: Maintaining Turkey's guarantee...

Everything else will be negotiable,and with goodwill not impossible to agree upon...

And let me issue another warning to those who are threatening us with the status quo...The status quo will not remain the same for long...When Turkey finally closes the door on the EU,she will start agitating for the recognition of the trnc....With Turkey's growing influence in the region I wouldnt be surprised if certain friendly nations begin recognising and trading with the trnc...Then we can all kiss goddbye to any hopes of reunification...

BBF under the UNSC resolution gives the north state that majority power to the TCs, but to achieve that as I stated in my BBF plan, the north will need to give back at least 50% of the north to become part of the south state just to try and comply with the EU Principles. So far the north does not want to return very much, even if we are to ignore what Erdogan said recently of not giving a gram of the north back.

On Turkey's security, she has proved to be trustworthy to keep her commitments, but it does not mean there shouldn't be any security provided to give the TCs the security they need. NATO force could do just that. Of course, if Turkey does not want peace in Cyprus, she would insist that only she can provide security for the TCs and for the whole island. Turkey wants to provide "security" for the whole island as per what the AP had and what Eroglu has stated recently.

There is no way in the world Turkey would ask for recognition of the north, or else, she would have done it long time ago. Sure she wants the north to have direct trade with others just to take the burden off herself economically, but to ask for recognition is when Turkey will lose any hope of having any say so in the future on the whole island as well as losing any hope of being in the EU. Besides, major players will not allow the north to become recognised. That much is agreed on, if nothing else. Turkey does not have any say so in the RoC now and she does not like it one little bit when the RoC is making deals with neighbouring countries left and right. Imagine what would happen if there was an official partition.? The RoC would kick the British out and invite another country/countries into Cyprus to base their military, like Greece and Israel for example, which is what Turkey does not want. And for the TCs, where would they end up.? They will have their RoC citizenship's revoked and kicked out of the EU as EU citizens and left to defend for themselves amongst the swamp of settlers in the north. Not a very pretty picture my friend, specially for us TCs.!

I am talking about a different scenario,Kikapu...A time (and it will arrive soon) when Turkey finally finds the courage to admit she doesnt really want to join the EU...When I say Turkey I mean the AKP and Erdogan,of course...when that happens it will be inconcievable for Turkey to allow the RoC to have free hits against her in the world stage..There will be a concerted effort to push the TC arguments forward,and try to get the trnc recognised by the friendly countries who will find it diffcult to say OXI to a resurging regional power...The geopolitical considerations of the past (the ones based on EU considerations) would not be applicable...Then we will see some surprising initiatives from the Turkish side...This will happen within the next 20 years,and some of us will be here to witness it...So lets wait and see,my friend...

Well, lets wait and see my friend. They say that 2 weeks is a long time in politics, let alone 20 years. As I've stated before, that unless the TCs (Turkey) are ready to walk away from their Taksim dreams, there cannot be a fully democratic Cyprus for all Cypriots to live in peace. So far, the Taksim Dreams are still alive in the north, are the reasons as to why they want different counties model's specific parts that are being sought by the north for a settlement and not the whole democratic principle package, because in doing so, it would keep the Taksim Dreams alive. In the meantime, the TCs are getting nowhere fast for a stable and better future for their children.!

By the way, I meant to say "untrustworthy" on Turkey's part to provide security for the TCs/Cyprus in the future in my last post. I'm sure you understood what I meant in the first place.!

How conveniently you forget that the result we have today was contributed to by your bum chums the GCs, they wanted enosis in response we wanted taksim, the compromise is BBF.....have you actually grasped this point?

I haven't forgotten anything. I gave you a BBF plan, so what the hell are you on about. It is you who does not accept BBF, as in Federation, and since 2004, it can only be a Federation with EU Principles. Had you not gotten too greedy and didn't ask for maximum violations of Democratic and Human Rights of the GCs, along with violations of International Laws in the Annan plan of 2004, you might have just gotten the original BBF passed at that time without the EU Principles, but now, you also got to deal with the EU Principles also. The UN can't save you from those EU Principles. Start thinking a solution with Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and EU Principles. Once you have accepted these principles, you will be halfway in making Cyprus a better place for all Cypriots to live in, specially for the TCs.

Now, have you actually grasped all these points.???

[Viewpoint]

Your BBF was a disguised death trap for TCs which you wanted to sell us, it speaks volumes for your own character and real motives.

[Kikapu]

Your BBF was a disguised death trap for TCs which you wanted to sell us, it speaks volumes for your own character and real motives.

Thank you for proving my point that you are not interested in a BBF as per UNSC resolutions with EU Principles. You definition of BBF is a "founding states", "sovereign states", "separate ethnic and linguistic states (racists states)", "Confederation", "Masters in the north, partners in the South", "Keep the EU hostage by the north state doing Turkey's work", "Import half the Turks from Turkey and make them all Cypriot citizens".........just to name a few.!

No can do. My BBF plan is the best you are going to get if you are lucky. My guess is, you will get much less.

Oh, how you fucked up by losing the AP. Had you been just a little less greedy, you may have gotten the GCs to say "YES", and now, the AP is gone for ever.

Get over it already.!

[Viewpoint]

You yourself admitted that the AP would be used as a basis with a few compromises, you are getting senile with all this forgetfulness. Your plan is a death trap for TCs get over it as it was rejected.

[humanist]

Your BBF was a disguised death trap for TCs which you wanted to sell us, it speaks volumes for your own character and real motives.

Your an absolute trolop. You have voted as a community to the racist Anan Plan and now you have the audacity to say we tried to sell you a BBF.

[Viewpoint]

Your BBF was a disguised death trap for TCs which you wanted to sell us, it speaks volumes for your own character and real motives.

Your an absolute trolop. You have voted as a community to the racist Anan Plan and now you have the audacity to say we tried to sell you a BBF.

Try and keep up humanist i know its difficult for you but i was refering to kakapoo bbf death trap plan.

[quattro]

A realistic solution,as far as I can see,will have to satisfy 2 conditions...

One: Safeguarding the TC political majority in the TC constituent state;
and
Two: Maintaining Turkey's guarantee...

Everything else will be negotiable,and with goodwill not impossible to agree upon...

And let me issue another warning to those who are threatening us with the status quo...The status quo will not remain the same for long...When Turkey finally closes the door on the EU,she will start agitating for the recognition of the trnc....With Turkey's growing influence in the region I wouldnt be surprised if certain friendly nations begin recognising and trading with the trnc...Then we can all kiss goddbye to any hopes of reunification...

BBF under the UNSC resolution gives the north state that majority power to the TCs, but to achieve that as I stated in my BBF plan, the north will need to give back at least 50% of the north to become part of the south state just to try and comply with the EU Principles. So far the north does not want to return very much, even if we are to ignore what Erdogan said recently of not giving a gram of the north back.

On Turkey's security, she has proved to be trustworthy to keep her commitments, but it does not mean there shouldn't be any security provided to give the TCs the security they need. NATO force could do just that. Of course, if Turkey does not want peace in Cyprus, she would insist that only she can provide security for the TCs and for the whole island. Turkey wants to provide "security" for the whole island as per what the AP had and what Eroglu has stated recently.

There is no way in the world Turkey would ask for recognition of the north, or else, she would have done it long time ago. Sure she wants the north to have direct trade with others just to take the burden off herself economically, but to ask for recognition is when Turkey will lose any hope of having any say so in the future on the whole island as well as losing any hope of being in the EU. Besides, major players will not allow the north to become recognised. That much is agreed on, if nothing else. Turkey does not have any say so in the RoC now and she does not like it one little bit when the RoC is making deals with neighbouring countries left and right. Imagine what would happen if there was an official partition.? The RoC would kick the British out and invite another country/countries into Cyprus to base their military, like Greece and Israel for example, which is what Turkey does not want. And for the TCs, where would they end up.? They will have their RoC citizenship's revoked and kicked out of the EU as EU citizens and left to defend for themselves amongst the swamp of settlers in the north. Not a very pretty picture my friend, specially for us TCs.!

I am talking about a different scenario,Kikapu...A time (and it will arrive soon) when Turkey finally finds the courage to admit she doesnt really want to join the EU...When I say Turkey I mean the AKP and Erdogan,of course...when that happens it will be inconcievable for Turkey to allow the RoC to have free hits against her in the world stage..There will be a concerted effort to push the TC arguments forward,and try to get the trnc recognised by the friendly countries who will find it diffcult to say OXI to a resurging regional power...The geopolitical considerations of the past (the ones based on EU considerations) would not be applicable...Then we will see some surprising initiatives from the Turkish side...This will happen within the next 20 years,and some of us will be here to witness it...So lets wait and see,my friend...

Well, lets wait and see my friend. They say that 2 weeks is a long time in politics, let alone 20 years. As I've stated before, that unless the TCs (Turkey) are ready to walk away from their Taksim dreams, there cannot be a fully democratic Cyprus for all Cypriots to live in peace. So far, the Taksim Dreams are still alive in the north, are the reasons as to why they want different counties model's specific parts that are being sought by the north for a settlement and not the whole democratic principle package, because in doing so, it would keep the Taksim Dreams alive. In the meantime, the TCs are getting nowhere fast for a stable and better future for their children.!

By the way, I meant to say "untrustworthy" on Turkey's part to provide security for the TCs/Cyprus in the future in my last post. I'm sure you understood what I meant in the first place.!

How conveniently you forget that the result we have today was contributed to by your bum chums the GCs, they wanted enosis in response we wanted taksim, the compromise is BBF.....have you actually grasped this point?

No the plan (taksim) was yours and the bum chums just help you to accomplish it.
quote: from martins Packard book:

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wrong image sorryyyyyy

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