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[Viewpoint]

seriously Birk what can the trnc offer the EU. The trnc will never receive EU membership because of its racist stance against GC citizens and giving them fair and equal rights as any other EU State. You can't have an EU State that discriminates against one particular group of the population. If the trnc want to join the EU even as a State in its own right they will have to allow GC's to settle there as they would any other EU citizen. Which could possibly lead to a State of majority GC's anyway.

Who says we want to join?

[BirKibrisli]

A realistic solution,as far as I can see,will have to satisfy 2 conditions...

One: Safeguarding the TC political majority in the TC constituent state;
and
Two: Maintaining Turkey's guarantee...

Everything else will be negotiable,and with goodwill not impossible to agree upon...

And let me issue another warning to those who are threatening us with the status quo...The status quo will not remain the same for long...When Turkey finally closes the door on the EU,she will start agitating for the recognition of the trnc....With Turkey's growing influence in the region I wouldnt be surprised if certain friendly nations begin recognising and trading with the trnc...Then we can all kiss goddbye to any hopes of reunification...

BBF under the UNSC resolution gives the north state that majority power to the TCs, but to achieve that as I stated in my BBF plan, the north will need to give back at least 50% of the north to become part of the south state just to try and comply with the EU Principles. So far the north does not want to return very much, even if we are to ignore what Erdogan said recently of not giving a gram of the north back.

On Turkey's security, she has proved to be trustworthy to keep her commitments, but it does not mean there shouldn't be any security provided to give the TCs the security they need. NATO force could do just that. Of course, if Turkey does not want peace in Cyprus, she would insist that only she can provide security for the TCs and for the whole island. Turkey wants to provide "security" for the whole island as per what the AP had and what Eroglu has stated recently.

There is no way in the world Turkey would ask for recognition of the north, or else, she would have done it long time ago. Sure she wants the north to have direct trade with others just to take the burden off herself economically, but to ask for recognition is when Turkey will lose any hope of having any say so in the future on the whole island as well as losing any hope of being in the EU. Besides, major players will not allow the north to become recognised. That much is agreed on, if nothing else. Turkey does not have any say so in the RoC now and she does not like it one little bit when the RoC is making deals with neighbouring countries left and right. Imagine what would happen if there was an official partition.? The RoC would kick the British out and invite another country/countries into Cyprus to base their military, like Greece and Israel for example, which is what Turkey does not want. And for the TCs, where would they end up.? They will have their RoC citizenship's revoked and kicked out of the EU as EU citizens and left to defend for themselves amongst the swamp of settlers in the north. Not a very pretty picture my friend, specially for us TCs.!

I am talking about a different scenario,Kikapu...A time (and it will arrive soon) when Turkey finally finds the courage to admit she doesnt really want to join the EU...When I say Turkey I mean the AKP and Erdogan,of course...when that happens it will be inconcievable for Turkey to allow the RoC to have free hits against her in the world stage..There will be a concerted effort to push the TC arguments forward,and try to get the trnc recognised by the friendly countries who will find it diffcult to say OXI to a resurging regional power...The geopolitical considerations of the past (the ones based on EU considerations) would not be applicable...Then we will see some surprising initiatives from the Turkish side...This will happen within the next 20 years,and some of us will be here to witness it...So lets wait and see,my friend...

[BirKibrisli]

seriously Birk what can the trnc offer the EU. The trnc will never receive EU membership because of its racist stance against GC citizens and giving them fair and equal rights as any other EU State. You can't have an EU State that discriminates against one particular group of the population. If the trnc want to join the EU even as a State in its own right they will have to allow GC's to settle there as they would any other EU citizen. Which could possibly lead to a State of majority GC's anyway.

If Turkey is not allowed to join the EU,or she walks away voluntarily,there will be no question of the trnc joining the EU,Andreas...Under that scenario,there will be just two possibilities. One,for Turkey to push for trnc recognition world wide;and Two,annexation of the trnc by Turkey...
Things are coming to a head now,and it is now or never,I feel...We either find the political and moral courage to reunify our homeland,or it will be divided forever...The sad part is,the choice is not even ours!

[BirKibrisli]

No one gives a shit,

no shit, sherlock. have u only just figured it?

the Germans are laughing all the way home after making you idiots happy with a few words,

how would u know that, unless ur an airhostess on lufthansa? which ur not cos ur too ugly, too turkish and too lacking in social skills.

you have no solution and are no closer.

wot solution? the removal of interfering turkey and her lackeys from the island, for ever, is the solution. anything less will continue the problem. failing this, the containment of turkey and her lackeys in an unrecognised, isolated northern latrine is the best alternative.

Does this remove one settler, return one inch of land or send the TA army home...no no no,

one settler, one inch and one soldier isn't enough and isn't a solution.

only you idiots cant see that no one will help you as you are just as wrong as the other side maybe even more.

life's shit, sure, but at least free cypriots can get on with it - in their free part of the island, without interference from turkey. unlike u idiots.

Hey,mala...Your frustration is showing!!!
The game is over!Threatening the TCs with assimilation into the Turkish society will not work any longer...Ask Viewpoint...They don't give a damn,to them it is returning to their roots!...And much more desirable than being dominated by hatred-filled,bitter,vengence-seeking GC arms...I got the message loud and clear,when will you get it???

[BirKibrisli]

Its gotten us International support, credibility, and an understanding of the barbarians you are and that we GCs have to deal with.

When the walls come crashing down on you, it won't be us the finger is pointing at which improves our longer term prospects.

You think it all comes down to the end of a gun, who could blame you, you are a barbarian after all, there are many ways to skin that cat.

So in you own words, read and weep. Plonker.

You had international support,recognition,and credibility(!) for the past 48 years,where did it get you??? Get your head out of the sand...Where did President Obama visit on his very first overseas trip??? The land of the barbarians,as you call Turkey...It is your turn to read and weep....

[ZoC]

Hey,mala...Your frustration is showing!!!

hey burkturk...ur confusing frustration with contempt. but then, u can't even get my name right.

The game is over!Threatening the TCs with assimilation into the Turkish society will not work any longer...Ask Viewpoint...They don't give a damn,to them it is returning to their roots!...

if only they would. they keep banging on about how wonderful turkey is. well, prove it! f-off back there. everyone's happy.

And much more desirable than being dominated by hatred-filled,bitter,vengence-seeking GC arms...I got the message loud and clear,when will you get it???

if tcs would rather be turks than cypriots they know where they can go, get it?

[Hermes]

You had international support,recognition,and credibility(!) for the past 48 years,where did it get you??? Get your head out of the sand...Where did President Obama visit on his very first overseas trip??? The land of the barbarians,as you call Turkey...It is your turn to read and weep....

In case you hadn't noticed, a lot has changed since Obama's visit. Turkey has alienated a key strategic ally in the Israelis, antagonised the US with its support of Iran and Islamic extremism and is blamed by the EU for a lack of progress in the Cyprus talks and its faltering accession process. The ground has completely shifted beneath Turkey's feet in the space of a year or two.

Meanwhile, the ROC is sitting next to one of the world's largest reserves of gas and oil that has brought it into a strategic alliance with Israel and the protection of Brussels and Washington. And Angela Merkel, the leader of the most powerful nation in the EU, chooses to come to Cyprus and tell us what good boys we've been and how Turkey needs to get its act together fast. How quickly it's all turned around. Who'd have guessed?

[Kikapu]

A realistic solution,as far as I can see,will have to satisfy 2 conditions...

One: Safeguarding the TC political majority in the TC constituent state;
and
Two: Maintaining Turkey's guarantee...

Everything else will be negotiable,and with goodwill not impossible to agree upon...

And let me issue another warning to those who are threatening us with the status quo...The status quo will not remain the same for long...When Turkey finally closes the door on the EU,she will start agitating for the recognition of the trnc....With Turkey's growing influence in the region I wouldnt be surprised if certain friendly nations begin recognising and trading with the trnc...Then we can all kiss goddbye to any hopes of reunification...

BBF under the UNSC resolution gives the north state that majority power to the TCs, but to achieve that as I stated in my BBF plan, the north will need to give back at least 50% of the north to become part of the south state just to try and comply with the EU Principles. So far the north does not want to return very much, even if we are to ignore what Erdogan said recently of not giving a gram of the north back.

On Turkey's security, she has proved to be trustworthy to keep her commitments, but it does not mean there shouldn't be any security provided to give the TCs the security they need. NATO force could do just that. Of course, if Turkey does not want peace in Cyprus, she would insist that only she can provide security for the TCs and for the whole island. Turkey wants to provide "security" for the whole island as per what the AP had and what Eroglu has stated recently.

There is no way in the world Turkey would ask for recognition of the north, or else, she would have done it long time ago. Sure she wants the north to have direct trade with others just to take the burden off herself economically, but to ask for recognition is when Turkey will lose any hope of having any say so in the future on the whole island as well as losing any hope of being in the EU. Besides, major players will not allow the north to become recognised. That much is agreed on, if nothing else. Turkey does not have any say so in the RoC now and she does not like it one little bit when the RoC is making deals with neighbouring countries left and right. Imagine what would happen if there was an official partition.? The RoC would kick the British out and invite another country/countries into Cyprus to base their military, like Greece and Israel for example, which is what Turkey does not want. And for the TCs, where would they end up.? They will have their RoC citizenship's revoked and kicked out of the EU as EU citizens and left to defend for themselves amongst the swamp of settlers in the north. Not a very pretty picture my friend, specially for us TCs.!

I am talking about a different scenario,Kikapu...A time (and it will arrive soon) when Turkey finally finds the courage to admit she doesnt really want to join the EU...When I say Turkey I mean the AKP and Erdogan,of course...when that happens it will be inconcievable for Turkey to allow the RoC to have free hits against her in the world stage..There will be a concerted effort to push the TC arguments forward,and try to get the trnc recognised by the friendly countries who will find it diffcult to say OXI to a resurging regional power...The geopolitical considerations of the past (the ones based on EU considerations) would not be applicable...Then we will see some surprising initiatives from the Turkish side...This will happen within the next 20 years,and some of us will be here to witness it...So lets wait and see,my friend...

Well, lets wait and see my friend. They say that 2 weeks is a long time in politics, let alone 20 years. As I've stated before, that unless the TCs (Turkey) are ready to walk away from their Taksim dreams, there cannot be a fully democratic Cyprus for all Cypriots to live in peace. So far, the Taksim Dreams are still alive in the north, are the reasons as to why they want different counties model's specific parts that are being sought by the north for a settlement and not the whole democratic principle package, because in doing so, it would keep the Taksim Dreams alive. In the meantime, the TCs are getting nowhere fast for a stable and better future for their children.!

By the way, I meant to say "untrustworthy" on Turkey's part to provide security for the TCs/Cyprus in the future in my last post. I'm sure you understood what I meant in the first place.!

[runaway]

You had international support,recognition,and credibility(!) for the past 48 years,where did it get you??? Get your head out of the sand...Where did President Obama visit on his very first overseas trip??? The land of the barbarians,as you call Turkey...It is your turn to read and weep....

In case you hadn't noticed, a lot has changed since Obama's visit. Turkey has alienated a key strategic ally in the Israelis, antagonised the US with its support of Iran and Islamic extremism and is blamed by the EU for a lack of progress in the Cyprus talks and its faltering accession process. The ground has completely shifted beneath Turkey's feet in the space of a year or two.

Meanwhile, the ROC is sitting next to one of the world's largest reserves of gas and oil that has brought it into a strategic alliance with Israel and the protection of Brussels and Washington. And Angela Merkel, the leader of the most powerful nation in the EU, chooses to come to Cyprus and tell us what good boys we've been and how Turkey needs to get its act together fast. How quickly it's all turned around. Who'd have guessed?

How quickly it's all turned out and how quickly you've got Girne back. Yeah right.

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