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[Viewpoint]

Theres over 500,000 right now and increasing every day we can house them in homes built on GC land and continue to build the infrastructure financed by the EU.

[kurupetos]

Theres over 500,000 right now and increasing every day we can house them in homes built on GC land and continue to build the infrastructure financed by the EU.

Have you ever heard of weapons of mass destruction? They can be very effective.

[Oracle]

Theres over 500,000 right now and increasing every day we can house them in homes built on GC land and continue to build the infrastructure financed by the EU.

Those homes built on GC land will come in useful to house TCs working for GCs.

[humanist]

I doubt that it will be at a scale of the population explosion that you are describing.

If its true somethings got to give.

Economically, what's going to this sustain this significant increase?

Is Turkey going to increase it's handouts to the occupied areas or are the TCs going to have to reduce their quality of life, e.g. pay reductions as cheap labour will come in from Turkey?

I suspect what will happen soon, when Cyprus begins gas exploration coupled with facilitating the movement of gas from Israel to the EU and with Turkey moving away from the EU membership her extensive exports to EU under special conditions will probably be reduced. Therefore feeling the pain back in Turkey. To this end she will at some stage be forced to say enough of subsidising the occupied areas of Cyprus. Eventually the impact of this will be felt by the TC community of what part of it is left as most would immigrate for a better life.

The EU is not going to support the partition of Cyprus because of the interests lie within gas exploration and we will have the status quo for time to come and families making it on less.

Eroglu needs to rethink what he is doing for Cyprus and his people. His actions will only lead to long term poverty for the TC's and settlers.

In the immediate time I think he should approach the President of The Republic of Cyprus Mr Christofias and ask that their seats in parliament are filled.

[runaway]

I doubt that it will be at a scale of the population explosion that you are describing.

If its true somethings got to give.

Economically, what's going to this sustain this significant increase?

Is Turkey going to increase it's handouts to the occupied areas or are the TCs going to have to reduce their quality of life, e.g. pay reductions as cheap labour will come in from Turkey?

I suspect what will happen soon, when Cyprus begins gas exploration coupled with facilitating the movement of gas from Israel to the EU and with Turkey moving away from the EU membership her extensive exports to EU under special conditions will probably be reduced. Therefore feeling the pain back in Turkey. To this end she will at some stage be forced to say enough of subsidising the occupied areas of Cyprus. Eventually the impact of this will be felt by the TC community of what part of it is left as most would immigrate for a better life.

The EU is not going to support the partition of Cyprus because of the interests lie within gas exploration and we will have the status quo for time to come and families making it on less.

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wishful thinking by brainless south shitriots

[Viewpoint]

Theres over 500,000 right now and increasing every day we can house them in homes built on GC land and continue to build the infrastructure financed by the EU.

Have you ever heard of weapons of mass destruction? They can be very effective.

You dont have the balls to use them plus how would explain this to your masters the EU?

[Kikapu]

Well said Bir hes making these Europeans look like moronic suckers.

Seriously dude? Seriously? This is the best you can come up with? Erdogan is making Merkel! Sarkozy and Cameron look like moronic suckers?

Seriously?

Exactly, they cannot see hes not really interested in entering all hes doing is giving the impression that he is to keep the investment rolling into the Turkish economy, these Europeans are such suckers they cant even take any effective decisions to buy pencils let alone cancel Turkeys EU so called path.

Perhaps these "suckers" are happy that Turkey does not want to join the EU club, thanks to their policy at keeping Turkey at the door drooling, but use Turkey all the same for it's cheap labour for imports and export expensive items to Turkey in return. It is a win-win for the EU. So who is the real sucker here, the one who is being used, or the one who is doing the using.?

Erdogan's of the world will come and go, but Turkey will always want to join the EU Club. The only problem is, the longer it takes for Turkey to become an EU member, the harder it will become for her to become an EU member. Turkey will always be at the mercy of the EU to whether to let her in the club or not. This is something Turkey has ZERO control over, other than playing by the EU rules. Time is against Turkey. Turkey can boast all she wants about her importance to the EU, but it means very little to the EU, if they won't allow Turkey in.

Often Turkey likes to play the role of a "Casanova", to claim as to what a great lover he is. Of course, the real test to such claims by a self-centered egomaniac is, what the other lover thinks of his claims, and so far, the other "lover" (EU) has given thumbs down to Turkey's (Casanova) greatly exaggerated performance. Hardly surprising because of "Casanova's" impotence.!

What ever excuses or comparisons you wanna make is OK by Turkey they are obviously in no rush and its appears to be working, the current government look likely to win the elections in June and more the same no commitment will continue, what does this mean for the GCs, simple really the leverage they thought would get them what they wanted ain't working 6/7 years is proof enough, as Turkey moves into stagnation mode with regards to joining the EU the GC south will have little is no leverage left and a lot of egg on their faces thinking they could out maneuver Turkey, in 6/7 they have not seen one inch of land returned one Turkish soldiers go home or a reduction in the number of settlers, in fact the opposite, the predictions are at this rate the population in the TRNC will be over 1 million within 5 years, (please refrain from they will swallow you up crap, we accepted that in 1974 rather the Turks than the GCs and Greeks) what will your GC bum chums do then a population who doesn't even know any GCs nor do they share a history with them, you should really listen to what they have to say about GC in the north, to put it bluntly they don't give a shit about them or their losses, then the GCs can try to negotiate with these people because as you claim they will be the only ones left..

All of the above still would have happened had the RoC said "YES" to the Annan Plan anyway as well as give Turkey complete control over Cyprus and make it easier for Turkey to become an EU member. Since 2004, Turkey has become powerless in dictating anything the RoC does, as well as feel the embarrassment caused by the RoC to Turkey within the EU. The north is already occupied now, so what difference does it make how many settlers are in the north. The more there are, the less chance Turkey has being in the EU. When the time comes, it is Turkey who will need to deal with the settlers and not the RoC. Turkey will always want to be in the EU no matter how long it may take. Turkey can be as patient as she wants to become a EU member, not that she has any choice in the matter, but when the time is right, Turkey will know "which side of her bread is buttered". In the meantime, the TCs will become more insignificant than they already are. You cannot threaten the north will be 1 million, 2 million, 10 million Turks if the RoC does not agree to a AP type of a settlement, because even with such agreement, the occupation of Cyprus will continue, only this time legally with the RoC's approval and also Turkey becoming as a de facto member of the EU through the back door accommodated to her by the north state in a "Unified Cyprus". So where is your leverage to have a settlement in Cyprus to make the north legal under those conditions. There isn't.!

[Kikapu]

Well said Bir hes making these Europeans look like moronic suckers.

Seriously dude? Seriously? This is the best you can come up with? Erdogan is making Merkel! Sarkozy and Cameron look like moronic suckers?

Seriously?

Exactly, they cannot see hes not really interested in entering all hes doing is giving the impression that he is to keep the investment rolling into the Turkish economy, these Europeans are such suckers they cant even take any effective decisions to buy pencils let alone cancel Turkeys EU so called path.

Perhaps these "suckers" are happy that Turkey does not want to join the EU club, thanks to their policy at keeping Turkey at the door drooling, but use Turkey all the same for it's cheap labour for imports and export expensive items to Turkey in return. It is a win-win for the EU. So who is the real sucker here, the one who is being used, or the one who is doing the using.?

Erdogan's of the world will come and go, but Turkey will always want to join the EU Club. The only problem is, the longer it takes for Turkey to become an EU member, the harder it will become for her to become an EU member. Turkey will always be at the mercy of the EU to whether to let her in the club or not. This is something Turkey has ZERO control over, other than playing by the EU rules. Time is against Turkey. Turkey can boast all she wants about her importance to the EU, but it means very little to the EU, if they won't allow Turkey in.

Often Turkey likes to play the role of a "Casanova", to claim as to what a great lover he is. Of course, the real test to such claims by a self-centered egomaniac is, what the other lover thinks of his claims, and so far, the other "lover" (EU) has given thumbs down to Turkey's (Casanova) greatly exaggerated performance. Hardly surprising because of "Casanova's" impotence.!

What ever excuses or comparisons you wanna make is OK by Turkey they are obviously in no rush and its appears to be working, the current government look likely to win the elections in June and more the same no commitment will continue, what does this mean for the GCs, simple really the leverage they thought would get them what they wanted ain't working 6/7 years is proof enough, as Turkey moves into stagnation mode with regards to joining the EU the GC south will have little is no leverage left and a lot of egg on their faces thinking they could out maneuver Turkey, in 6/7 they have not seen one inch of land returned one Turkish soldiers go home or a reduction in the number of settlers, in fact the opposite, the predictions are at this rate the population in the TRNC will be over 1 million within 5 years, (please refrain from they will swallow you up crap, we accepted that in 1974 rather the Turks than the GCs and Greeks) what will your GC bum chums do then a population who doesn't even know any GCs nor do they share a history with them, you should really listen to what they have to say about GC in the north, to put it bluntly they don't give a shit about them or their losses, then the GCs can try to negotiate with these people because as you claim they will be the only ones left..

People often confuse wishful thinking with reality,VP...
The reality is Turkey is having the best of both worlds...She is a privileged economic partner in the EU and a highly respected member of NATO...(Highly respected by the only superpower left,the USA)...Not being a member allows Turkey to pursue her economic and geopolitical interests elsewhere as well...Just let people believe that Turkey is crying at the EU door,they must have some hope that eventually the EU pressure would become too much and she will give in on Cyprus...You and I know that is not going to happen,and as you mentioned there will certainly be 1 Million "new" TCs in the North within 5 years,and probably 2 Million withing 20 years...Then Turkey would suggest a UNitary state solution based on democracy and human rights principles,and majority rule...

spoken like a true turk and sychophant. go celebrate on a turkish forum then if turkey's so wonderful. this is a cyprus forum and will remain so; despite all the foreign invaders and their foreign ways.

There is nothing to celebrate,my dear friend...What has happened to Cyprus and her people is a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions!
I am only warning you of what WILL happen unless you come to your senses and agree to a realistic solution that will put a halt to the status quo,which will inevitably result in the Turkification of the trnc,and a new breed of people called 'Turks of Cyprus'...

What is that "realistic solution" Bir, because anything like the Annan Plan would have had the same outcome as you described above, only it would have been legal and the whole of Cyprus under Turkey's control. Surely you are not suggesting what Eroglu has offered recently as being "realistic solution". In any case, if Turkey doesn't want a solution, there cannot be one at the present time, since the TCs have no say so in the matter what so ever, just as you stated many times in the past.!

[BirKibrisli]

A realistic solution,as far as I can see,will have to satisfy 2 conditions...

One: Safeguarding the TC political majority in the TC constituent state;
and
Two: Maintaining Turkey's guarantee...

Everything else will be negotiable,and with goodwill not impossible to agree upon...

And let me issue another warning to those who are threatening us with the status quo...The status quo will not remain the same for long...When Turkey finally closes the door on the EU,she will start agitating for the recognition of the trnc....With Turkey's growing influence in the region I wouldnt be surprised if certain friendly nations begin recognising and trading with the trnc...Then we can all kiss goddbye to any hopes of reunification...

[B25]

Item one is satisfied by Kiks plan.

item two, impossible for the GC to accept.

This is not a realistic solution, it is a capitulation to Turkey.

You can threaten all you like, since it is in your blood, but cuts no ice here, we will take our chances with the international laws and charters.

Bye bye