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So, what have we learned tonight?

Let’s recap…

* Cyprus is part of the Cradle of Civilization from where language and religion had spread to Europe including Greece.

* Cypriots could read and write for centuries while “Greeks” (read misc. tribes) were busy killing each other in the dark ages, squatting to piss, and living in caves.

Tomorrow, your training/education continues with the Byzantium.

Good night.

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[Natty]

Can we have your views on what the TCs suffered both in 1963 and 1974 the knife cuts both ways.

My view is that Turkish Cypriots' mistake has been to allow themselves to be used as proxies for Turkish strategic interests both in the 1960s and in 1974. In doing so, they have debased themselves and become morally corrupted in the process. Their degradation is the result of their own moral weakness and entirely self-inflicted.

In the face of enosis what did you expect that they support their own death warrant.

Typical scare tactics. Keep people in a state of constant fear, make them believe that your way is the best (namely occupation and partition), that only you can truly protect them. There is no alternative, unless you want to sign your own death warrant. Brilliant, truly inspired.

1155. Again, if the purpose of a settlement of the Cyprus question is to be the
preservation rather than the destruction of the State, and if it is to foster
rather than to militate against the development of a peacefully united people, I
cannot help wondering whether the physical division of the minority from the
majority should not be considered a desperate step in the wrong direction. I am
reluctant to believe, as the Turkish-Cypriot leadership claims, in the
"impossibility" of Greek-Cypriots and Turkish-Cypriots learning to live together
again in peace. In those parts of the country where movement controls have been
relaxed and tensions reduced, they are already proving otherwise.

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... 0S6253.pdf

Hello Natty,

The Fascist NeoPartitionist need an excuse to justify the present division and future Taksim dreams, so the Enosis word will always be used, as if there was never a Taksim desires by the likes of Denktash long before 1960. The 1960 constitution was based on having Enosis and Taksim, hence the unworkable constitution that was created. VP wants everyone to believe, had Hitler was never born, there would never have been a Nazi Germany, as if the world was short of Fascists. Hitler was just one more. VP wants to distract readers, that had there never been a Enosis dreams by the GCs, there never would have been a division today. He fails to understand, that had there never been Enosis Dreams, it does not mean that there never would have been Taksim dreams all the same. Despite Enosis dreams have been long extinguished, VP wants to continue with his Taksim dreams all the same, which tells me, the likes of him, the Fascist's, would have pushed for Taksim whether there was any Enosis Dreams or not, and perhaps even a complete Enosis Cyprus with Turkey altogether. Now, that would have really made the Fascists day.!

Which is more dangerous for the inhabitants of this island enosis or taksim?

There is only one right now, which is Taksim, so I guess that is the most dangerous and immoral, because it is happening every day. It will create more problems in the future, including wars, so at this point in time, it is Taksim that is most dangerous since Enosis does not exist.

You are yet again avoiding the question, taksim is a direct result of enosis therefore if taksim is dangerous as a secondary action then the original must be more dangerous. Taksim is a sharing ideology whereas enosis is gifting the whole island to another country.

If taksim was about sharing, wouldn’t the Turkish army have made sure to occupy a percentage of land that represented the realities of the Turkish Cypriot community at the time? Say, 18% instead of 36%? You say that Taksim is the direct result of enosis that it would/could not exist without enosis. Okay that being the case, now that enosis no longer exists doesn’t that mean that taksim should no longer exist? That taksim is now no longer a valid option?

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How dare you make Viewpoint think about what he said?

[Viewpoint]

Can we have your views on what the TCs suffered both in 1963 and 1974 the knife cuts both ways.

My view is that Turkish Cypriots' mistake has been to allow themselves to be used as proxies for Turkish strategic interests both in the 1960s and in 1974. In doing so, they have debased themselves and become morally corrupted in the process. Their degradation is the result of their own moral weakness and entirely self-inflicted.

In the face of enosis what did you expect that they support their own death warrant.

Typical scare tactics. Keep people in a state of constant fear, make them believe that your way is the best (namely occupation and partition), that only you can truly protect them. There is no alternative, unless you want to sign your own death warrant. Brilliant, truly inspired.

1155. Again, if the purpose of a settlement of the Cyprus question is to be the
preservation rather than the destruction of the State, and if it is to foster
rather than to militate against the development of a peacefully united people, I
cannot help wondering whether the physical division of the minority from the
majority should not be considered a desperate step in the wrong direction. I am
reluctant to believe, as the Turkish-Cypriot leadership claims, in the
"impossibility" of Greek-Cypriots and Turkish-Cypriots learning to live together
again in peace. In those parts of the country where movement controls have been
relaxed and tensions reduced, they are already proving otherwise.

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... 0S6253.pdf

Hello Natty,

The Fascist NeoPartitionist need an excuse to justify the present division and future Taksim dreams, so the Enosis word will always be used, as if there was never a Taksim desires by the likes of Denktash long before 1960. The 1960 constitution was based on having Enosis and Taksim, hence the unworkable constitution that was created. VP wants everyone to believe, had Hitler was never born, there would never have been a Nazi Germany, as if the world was short of Fascists. Hitler was just one more. VP wants to distract readers, that had there never been a Enosis dreams by the GCs, there never would have been a division today. He fails to understand, that had there never been Enosis Dreams, it does not mean that there never would have been Taksim dreams all the same. Despite Enosis dreams have been long extinguished, VP wants to continue with his Taksim dreams all the same, which tells me, the likes of him, the Fascist's, would have pushed for Taksim whether there was any Enosis Dreams or not, and perhaps even a complete Enosis Cyprus with Turkey altogether. Now, that would have really made the Fascists day.!

Which is more dangerous for the inhabitants of this island enosis or taksim?

There is only one right now, which is Taksim, so I guess that is the most dangerous and immoral, because it is happening every day. It will create more problems in the future, including wars, so at this point in time, it is Taksim that is most dangerous since Enosis does not exist.

You are yet again avoiding the question, taksim is a direct result of enosis therefore if taksim is dangerous as a secondary action then the original must be more dangerous. Taksim is a sharing ideology whereas enosis is gifting the whole island to another country.

If taksim was about sharing, wouldn’t the Turkish army have made sure to occupy a percentage of land that represented the realities of the Turkish Cypriot community at the time? Say, 18% instead of 36%? You say that Taksim is the direct result of enosis that it would/could not exist without enosis. Okay that being the case, now that enosis no longer exists doesn’t that mean that taksim should no longer exist? That taksim is now no longer a valid option?

Once you have thrown=enosis the vase on the and it breaks=taksim it cannot be put together again, how do you realistically suggest it put back together?

As for this 18% stuff did you expect the TA to bring a ruler to measure how much land it should take or not, or do a population count to ensure accuracy? really people need to get a grip on the realities of the situation.