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[ZoC]

Leaving out all the silly rhetoric, it really is in Turkey’s best interests to stay out of the EU, whose economy is failing, whose demographics point to a crisis in the not too distant future and whose democratic credentials are dubious, having an unelected president, an unelected ‘foreign minister’, and unelected commissioners largely running it.

Shame about Cyprus.

leaving out all the silly rhetoric, why does erdogan keep banging on the door, if it's in turkey's interests to stay out?

[miltiades]

Leaving out all the silly rhetoric, it really is in Turkey’s best interests to stay out of the EU, whose economy is failing, whose demographics point to a crisis in the not too distant future and whose democratic credentials are dubious, having an unelected president, an unelected ‘foreign minister’, and unelected commissioners largely running it.

Shame about Cyprus.

The EU has faced some severe tests and not only has it survived but many think that the Euro with all the problems encountered by Greece , Ireland Portugal and Spain has held its won very well .
Here are some historical rates Euro against STG and US$
January 19th 2008 1 Stg = 1.34 euro today 1 stg = 1.19 !!!! +11%
January 19th 2008 1 Euro = 1.42 US $ today 1 Euro = 1.34 US $ A 6% decrease in the value of Euro !!!
It does not look that bad to me since against these two currencies the Euro has more than held its ground.

[observer]

Leaving out all the silly rhetoric, it really is in Turkey’s best interests to stay out of the EU, whose economy is failing, whose demographics point to a crisis in the not too distant future and whose democratic credentials are dubious, having an unelected president, an unelected ‘foreign minister’, and unelected commissioners largely running it.

Shame about Cyprus.

leaving out all the silly rhetoric, why does erdogan keep banging on the door, if it's in turkey's interests to stay out?

He obviously doesn't share my opinion. Others do.

[observer]

Leaving out all the silly rhetoric, it really is in Turkey’s best interests to stay out of the EU, whose economy is failing, whose demographics point to a crisis in the not too distant future and whose democratic credentials are dubious, having an unelected president, an unelected ‘foreign minister’, and unelected commissioners largely running it.

Shame about Cyprus.

The EU has faced some severe tests and not only has it survived but many think that the Euro with all the problems encountered by Greece , Ireland Portugal and Spain has held its won very well .
Here are some historical rates Euro against STG and US$
January 19th 2008 1 Stg = 1.34 euro today 1 stg = 1.19 !!!! +11%
January 19th 2008 1 Euro = 1.42 US $ today 1 Euro = 1.34 US $ A 6% decrease in the value of Euro !!!
It does not look that bad to me since against these two currencies the Euro has more than held its ground.

UK is in the EU.
US is up to its neck in debt. I wouldn't recommend that Turkey became the 51st state either.

When I talked about the EU economy, however, I wasn't thinking of the Euro as a currency, I was considering the next 20 years as countries within the EU struggle to pay off their accumulated debt with a shrinking proportion of the population being of working age, and a growing proportion having to be supported in their old age.

The growing economies and the opportunities are to the east of Turkey, not the west.

[humanist]

then withdraw your EU membership application Turkey >>>>>>>>>dduuurrrrrrr

[Kikapu]

Leaving out all the silly rhetoric, it really is in Turkey’s best interests to stay out of the EU, whose economy is failing, whose demographics point to a crisis in the not too distant future and whose democratic credentials are dubious, having an unelected president, an unelected ‘foreign minister’, and unelected commissioners largely running it.

Shame about Cyprus.

The EU has faced some severe tests and not only has it survived but many think that the Euro with all the problems encountered by Greece , Ireland Portugal and Spain has held its won very well .
Here are some historical rates Euro against STG and US$
January 19th 2008 1 Stg = 1.34 euro today 1 stg = 1.19 !!!! +11%
January 19th 2008 1 Euro = 1.42 US $ today 1 Euro = 1.34 US $ A 6% decrease in the value of Euro !!!
It does not look that bad to me since against these two currencies the Euro has more than held its ground.

UK is in the EU.
US is up to its neck in debt. I wouldn't recommend that Turkey became the 51st state either.

When I talked about the EU economy, however, I wasn't thinking of the Euro as a currency, I was considering the next 20 years as countries within the EU struggle to pay off their accumulated debt with a shrinking proportion of the population being of working age, and a growing proportion having to be supported in their old age.

The growing economies and the opportunities are to the east of Turkey, not the west.

"The bank is clearly worried about how credit growth is affecting the current account and they're right to be. The pace of the widening is crazy and the market is fixated on this weakness," said Murat Ucer, an Istanbul-based economist at Global Source Partners, a research consultancy.

The latest data from the Turkish statistics agency show the current-account deficit more than tripled in November from a year ago to a hit a record of $5.93 billion, or about 6% of forecast gross domestic product, as imports grew more than 10 times faster than exports. Ratings agencies regularly cite the current account imbalance as the principle reason for keeping Turkey's rating below investment grade, while the International Monetary Fund warned in November that the deficit leaves Turkey vulnerable if market sentiment turns negative.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 94098.html

[Mr. T]

Leaving out all the silly rhetoric, it really is in Turkey’s best interests to stay out of the EU, whose economy is failing, whose demographics point to a crisis in the not too distant future and whose democratic credentials are dubious, having an unelected president, an unelected ‘foreign minister’, and unelected commissioners largely running it.

Shame about Cyprus.

The EU has faced some severe tests and not only has it survived but many think that the Euro with all the problems encountered by Greece , Ireland Portugal and Spain has held its won very well .
Here are some historical rates Euro against STG and US$
January 19th 2008 1 Stg = 1.34 euro today 1 stg = 1.19 !!!! +11%
January 19th 2008 1 Euro = 1.42 US $ today 1 Euro = 1.34 US $ A 6% decrease in the value of Euro !!!
It does not look that bad to me since against these two currencies the Euro has more than held its ground.

Who are you trying to kid.
One needs to take an historical exchange rate nearer to the start of the problems with the economies of the Euro countries you mention.
October 2009 average 1 Stg = 1.09 Euro, today 1Stg = 1.19. A 9% decrease in the value of the Euro.

[All4114All]

Leaving out all the silly rhetoric, it really is in Turkey’s best interests to stay out of the EU, whose economy is failing, whose demographics point to a crisis in the not too distant future and whose democratic credentials are dubious, having an unelected president, an unelected ‘foreign minister’, and unelected commissioners largely running it.

Shame about Cyprus.

leaving out all the silly rhetoric, why does erdogan keep banging on the door, if it's in turkey's interests to stay out?

The question you need to ask is why not the EU says ‘No’ to Turkey and let it be done EU walks away and Turkey walks away?

If you answer this I think you will answer your own question. Because there is more to the relationship than just 'yes you may enter' or 'no you may leave now'.

[Get Real!]

The question you need to ask is why not the EU says ‘No’ to Turkey and let it be done EU walks away and Turkey walks away?

Because the EU is not a single person entity that can just reply with a “yes” or “no”!

The EU is a super-bloated, super-faceted, super-complex, supra-organization that operates via myriads of complex procedures, protocols, and methodologies.

Just sending a “Hello, how are you?” message to someone, would probably involve 64 departments spanning 20 countries, let alone process a membership application of a country like Turkey!

Eventually, Turkey will just tire and give up!

[ZoC]

Leaving out all the silly rhetoric, it really is in Turkey’s best interests to stay out of the EU, whose economy is failing, whose demographics point to a crisis in the not too distant future and whose democratic credentials are dubious, having an unelected president, an unelected ‘foreign minister’, and unelected commissioners largely running it.

Shame about Cyprus.

leaving out all the silly rhetoric, why does erdogan keep banging on the door, if it's in turkey's interests to stay out?

The question you need to ask is why not the EU says ‘No’ to Turkey and let it be done EU walks away and Turkey walks away?

because the eu prefers to keep the rabid dog on a leash outside.