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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group

Terminology and definitionThe terms ethnicity and ethnic group are derived from the Greek word ἔθνος ethnos, normally translated as "nation." The terms refer currently to people thought to have common ancestry who share a distinctive culture.

The term "ethnic" and related forms from the 14th century through the middle of the 19th century were used in English in the meaning of "pagan, heathen", as ethnikos was used as the LXX translation of Hebrew goyim "the nations, non-Hebrews, non-Jews".[4]

The modern meaning emerged in the mid 19th century and expresses the notion of "a people" or "a nation". The term ethnicity is of 20th century coinage, attested from the 1950s. The term nationality depending on context may either be used synonymously with ethnicity, or synonymously with citizenship (in a sovereign state).

The modern usage of "ethnic group" further came to reflect the different kinds of encounters industrialised states have had with external groups, such as immigrants and indigenous peoples; "ethnic" thus came to stand in opposition to "national", to refer to people with distinct cultural identities who, through migration or conquest, had become subject to a state or "nation" with a different cultural mainstream.[5] — with the first usage of the term ethnic group in 1935,[6] and entering the Oxford English Dictionary in 1972.[7][8][9]

Writing about the usage of the term "ethnic" in the ordinary language of Great Britain and the United States, in 1977 Wallman noted that

The term 'ethnic' popularly connotes '[race]' in Britain, only less precisely, and with a lighter value load. In North America, by contrast, '[race]' most commonly means color, and 'ethnics' are the descendents of relatively recent immigrants from non-English-speaking countries. '[Ethnic]' is not a noun in Britain. In effect there are no 'ethnics'; there are only 'ethnic relations'.[10]
Thus, in today's everyday language, the words "ethnic" and "ethnicity" still have a ring of exotic peoples, minority issues and race relations.

Within the social sciences, however, the usage has become more generalized to all human groups that explicitly regard themselves and are regarded by others as culturally distinctive.[11] Among the first to bring the term "ethnic group" into social studies was the German sociologist Max Weber, who defined it as:

[T]hose human groups that entertain a subjective belief in their common descent because of similarities of physical type or of customs or both, or because of memories of colonization and migration; this belief must be important for group formation; furthermore it does not matter whether an objective blood relationship exists.[12]

Whether ethnicity qualifies as a cultural universal is to some extent dependent on the exact definition used. According to "Challenges of Measuring an Ethnic World: Science, politics, and reality",[who?] "Ethnicity is a fundamental factor in human life: it is a phenomenon inherent in human experience."[13] Many social scientists, such as anthropologists Fredrik Barth and Eric Wolf, do not consider ethnic identity to be universal. They regard ethnicity as a product of specific kinds of inter-group interactions, rather than an essential quality inherent to human groups.[14]

[Get Real!]

Okay, if ETHNOS is not a word (which on its own it doesn't mean much in English) then stop using all of the above plus all other derivatives of the word... Use another word. Imagine one... While thinking of that new word, think how much the world you know was influenced by GREEK CULTURE AND LANGUAGE

Now don't go wet your bed while thinking that much...

Idiot... the incompetent bankrupt “Greeks” (read Slavs) invented jack shit!

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 151297.php

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[Viewpoint]

Can we have your views on what the TCs suffered both in 1963 and 1974 the knife cuts both ways.

My view is that Turkish Cypriots' mistake has been to allow themselves to be used as proxies for Turkish strategic interests both in the 1960s and in 1974. In doing so, they have debased themselves and become morally corrupted in the process. Their degradation is the result of their own moral weakness and entirely self-inflicted.

In the face of enosis what did you expect that they support their own death warrant.

Typical scare tactics. Keep people in a state of constant fear, make them believe that your way is the best (namely occupation and partition), that only you can truly protect them. There is no alternative, unless you want to sign your own death warrant. Brilliant, truly inspired.

1155. Again, if the purpose of a settlement of the Cyprus question is to be the
preservation rather than the destruction of the State, and if it is to foster
rather than to militate against the development of a peacefully united people, I
cannot help wondering whether the physical division of the minority from the
majority should not be considered a desperate step in the wrong direction. I am
reluctant to believe, as the Turkish-Cypriot leadership claims, in the
"impossibility" of Greek-Cypriots and Turkish-Cypriots learning to live together
again in peace. In those parts of the country where movement controls have been
relaxed and tensions reduced, they are already proving otherwise.

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... 0S6253.pdf

Hello Natty,

The Fascist NeoPartitionist need an excuse to justify the present division and future Taksim dreams, so the Enosis word will always be used, as if there was never a Taksim desires by the likes of Denktash long before 1960. The 1960 constitution was based on having Enosis and Taksim, hence the unworkable constitution that was created. VP wants everyone to believe, had Hitler was never born, there would never have been a Nazi Germany, as if the world was short of Fascists. Hitler was just one more. VP wants to distract readers, that had there never been a Enosis dreams by the GCs, there never would have been a division today. He fails to understand, that had there never been Enosis Dreams, it does not mean that there never would have been Taksim dreams all the same. Despite Enosis dreams have been long extinguished, VP wants to continue with his Taksim dreams all the same, which tells me, the likes of him, the Fascist's, would have pushed for Taksim whether there was any Enosis Dreams or not, and perhaps even a complete Enosis Cyprus with Turkey altogether. Now, that would have really made the Fascists day.!

Which is more dangerous for the inhabitants of this island enosis or taksim?

There is only one right now, which is Taksim, so I guess that is the most dangerous and immoral, because it is happening every day. It will create more problems in the future, including wars, so at this point in time, it is Taksim that is most dangerous since Enosis does not exist.

You are yet again avoiding the question, taksim is a direct result of enosis therefore if taksim is dangerous as a secondary action then the original must be more dangerous. Taksim is a sharing ideology whereas enosis is gifting the whole island to another country.

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Okay, if ETHNOS is not a word (which on its own it doesn't mean much in English) then stop using all of the above plus all other derivatives of the word... Use another word. Imagine one... While thinking of that new word, think how much the world you know was influenced by GREEK CULTURE AND LANGUAGE

Now don't go wet your bed while thinking that much...

Idiot... the incompetent bankrupt “Greeks” (read Slavs) invented jack shit!

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 151297.php

About turn! Forward march!

Quotes from your source:

A classics and linguistics scholar has found a bridge between the pre-alphabetic scripts of the ancient Greeks of Cyprus and the Greek alphabet -- and argues that the Mediterranean island is therefore most likely the place where the Greek alphabet was invented.

It has been well documented that the Greeks adapted the familiar script still used today from the alphabet of another people -- the Phoenicians. But "one foot also rests on a shoulder of the syllabic script of Cypriot Greeks," writes Roger D. Woodard, Ph.D., in his book "Greek Writing from Knossos to Homer: A Linguistic Interpretation of the Origin of the Greek Alphabet and the Continuity of Ancient Greek Literacy" (Oxford University Press, 1997).

"The Greeks in Cyprus were émigrés living on the border of the Greek world and sought to preserve their own writing systems, so this wasn't accepted," Woodard says. "As the Dark Age came to an end, this new writing system made its way from Cyprus to the Greek mainland, where people were illiterate, and it caught on. The Greeks of the homeland began to write again."

"We acquired 'x' from the Romans, who acquired it from the Greeks."

Eventually, this script evolved into another syllabic script -- the Cypriot Syllabary -- which was used by the Greeks of Cyprus and first appeared in the mid-11th century B.C. In both of these scripts, each symbol represented a consonant and vowel sequence.


By the mid-9th century B.C., when the Phoenicians began living in Cyprus, the Greek scribes were entrenched in using the Cypriot syllabic script. Woodard believes some scribes became interested in the Phoenician script, which didn't use vowel characters at all. "The Greeks acquired the Phoenician script at some point and converted it into the Greek alphabet," he says. "My contention is that it happened on Cyprus, when the Greeks and Phoenicians were living next door to each other. The setting was right, and there was close cultural contact."

"This reflects a continuity of Greek literacy from Mycenaean Greece to the present day," Woodard says.







Talk about own goals!

[Get Real!]

Talk about own goals!

Only problem is… Mycenaeans never came to Cyprus as there is not a shred of evidence to support this ridiculous assumption that Woodard obviously accepted as a factoid!

For starters, Mycenaeans, never needed to come to Cyprus and simply could not even if they wanted to! At best Mycenaeans may have landed on the western shores of Turkey but don’t expect too much at around 1500BC! Also, the notion that people would sail 600 miles all the way to Cyprus in such flimsy little boats, while ignoring the massive chunk of land constantly on their left (Turkey) is dumb!

Now, when you put one and one together you start to realize what REALLY happened… (here it is very briefly for you)

Step 1: Cypriots and Phoenicians are part of the cradle of civilization and thus language and religion develops among them first.
(Greece/Greeks non existent)

Step 2: Cypriots are the first foreigners to receive Christianity and set about spreading it to others taking advantage of their experience in mastering the waves. (Greece/Greeks still non existent, by now Dorians have wiped out Mycenaeans and some have fled gradually making their way through Turkey)

Step 3: The closest Mycenaeans (actually their later refugee relatives) ever came to Cyprus was at Antioch by land (through Turkey) and that’s where Cypriots met up with them. There, Cypriots taught them how to read and write as well as Christianity. It’s by no accident that a very important Orthodox church is there!

Step 4: Language and religion shoots off from Antioch and spreads into Europe eventually finding the Dorians who have already overrun Mycenaeans.

What people in Greece speak today is in fact… A CYPRIOT DIALECT!

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Get Real,

Cyprus was a very important trading post for the Mycenaean Greeks. Once the civilisation began to collapse, many of them moved to Cyprus, an island they were familiar with.

I've seen your posts, and you seem to be extremely anti-Greek. I suggest you construct your arguments on fact rather than what you dig out of the same hole that disposes of your digestive waste.

[Get Real!]

You should all open your eyes and ears wide and…

LISTEN TO THE OLD TESTAMENT

…which was written during 1400BC and 400BC and tells you the facts of what REALLY happened…

In the books of the Old Testament you simply WILL NOT FIND a place called “Greece”, quite simply because no such place existed during this period!

What you WILL find in the Old Testament is the constant reference to Cyprus and Cypriots spreading THEIR language and religion (Christianity) to Greeks (in Antioch) and to many others in various places!

Acts 11:20: “Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus.”

Acts 21:16: “Some of the disciples from Caesarea accompanied us and brought us to the home of Mnason, where we were to stay. He was a man from Cyprus and one of the early disciples.”

Isaiah 23:1: “Wail, O ships of Tarshish! For Tyre is destroyed and left without house or harbor. From the land of Cyprus word has come to them.”

Ezekiel 27:6: “Of oaks from Bashan they made your oars; of cypress wood from the coasts of Cyprus they made your deck, inlaid with ivory.”

Acts 4:36: “Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement),”

[Get Real!]

I suggest you construct your arguments on fact rather than what you dig out of the same hole that disposes of your digestive waste.

And I suggest you apologize to God for talking in this manner against the Old Testament!

[yialousa1971]

You should all open your eyes and ears wide and…

LISTEN TO THE OLD TESTAMENT

…which was written during 1400BC and 400BC and tells you the facts of what REALLY happened…

In the books of the Old Testament you simply WILL NOT FIND a place called “Greece”, quite simply because no such place existed during this period!

What you WILL find in the Old Testament is the constant reference to Cyprus and Cypriots spreading THEIR language and religion (Christianity) to Greeks (in Antioch) and to many others in various places!

Acts 11:20: “Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus.”

Acts 21:16: “Some of the disciples from Caesarea accompanied us and brought us to the home of Mnason, where we were to stay. He was a man from Cyprus and one of the early disciples.”

Isaiah 23:1: “Wail, O ships of Tarshish! For Tyre is destroyed and left without house or harbor. From the land of Cyprus word has come to them.”

Ezekiel 27:6: “Of oaks from Bashan they made your oars; of cypress wood from the coasts of Cyprus they made your deck, inlaid with ivory.”

Acts 4:36: “Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement),”

Reading Jewish fairy tails about sums you up and I guess you believe the Jews are the chosen ones.