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Postby Klik » Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:26 am

The coup was funded by other countries as well as the Greek junta...
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Postby Natty » Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:32 am

Taken from Speech made to the UN by Makarios on the 19th July 1974.


For some time talks were going on between the Greek and Turkish Cypriots in search of a peaceful solution to the Cyprus problem, which on many occasions has occupied the time of the Security Council and the General Assembly of the United Nations. The representative of the Secretary General and two constitutional experts from Greece and Turkey have been attending the talks. The Security Council has repeatedly renewed, twice yearly, the mandate of the peace-keeping force in Cyprus, expressing every time hope for a speedy solution of the problem.

It cannot be said that up to now the progress of the talks has been satisfactory. But how could there be any progress in the talks while the policy on Cyprus of the regime in Athens has been double-faced? It was agreed by all the parties concerned that the talks were taking place on the basis of independence. The regime of Athens also agreed to that, and time and again the Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs declared that the position of Greece on this issue was clear. If that were the case, why had the military regime of Greece created and supported the terrorist organisation 'EOKA B', whose purpose was stated to be the union of Cyprus with Greece and whose members called themselves 'unionists'?


http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/history ... tml#speech

(Ironically the only place I could find a full written copy of the speech was on a North Cyprus website.)
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Postby Klik » Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:36 am

ΕΘΝΙΚΗ... when did Cyprus become an Ethnos? :roll:
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Postby zan » Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:33 pm

Natty wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Can we have your views on what the TCs suffered both in 1963 and 1974 the knife cuts both ways.


My view is that Turkish Cypriots' mistake has been to allow themselves to be used as proxies for Turkish strategic interests both in the 1960s and in 1974. In doing so, they have debased themselves and become morally corrupted in the process. Their degradation is the result of their own moral weakness and entirely self-inflicted.


In the face of enosis what did you expect that they support their own death warrant.


Typical scare tactics. Keep people in a state of constant fear, make them believe that your way is the best (namely occupation and partition), that only you can truly protect them. There is no alternative, unless you want to sign your own death warrant. Brilliant, truly inspired.

1155. Again, if the purpose of a settlement of the Cyprus question is to be the
preservation rather than the destruction of the State, and if it is to foster
rather than to militate against the development of a peacefully united people, I
cannot help wondering whether the physical division of the minority from the
majority should not be considered a desperate step in the wrong direction. I am
reluctant to believe, as the Turkish-Cypriot leadership claims, in the
"impossibility" of Greek-Cypriots and Turkish-Cypriots learning to live together
again in peace. In those parts of the country where movement controls have been
relaxed and tensions reduced, they are already proving otherwise.



http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... 0S6253.pdf



Did you read about that mortar accident that happened last week? The few TCs living in the "RoC" would have been hard to hit "by accident" but imagine the consequences of it landing on a TC village :? Why do people try to ignore the realities that exist? The tension will take far longer to dismiss than any talks ever will.
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:28 pm

Klik wrote:ΕΘΝΙΚΗ... when did Cyprus become an Ethnos? :roll:

What the hell is that? :lol:

No such word exists in English.
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Postby Klik » Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:32 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Klik wrote:ΕΘΝΙΚΗ... when did Cyprus become an Ethnos? :roll:

What the hell is that? :lol:

No such word exists in English.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnos

Ethnic group derives from that word in case you didn't know it. And it's the FORMAL way of saying ethnic group... :roll:
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:43 pm

Klik wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Klik wrote:ΕΘΝΙΚΗ... when did Cyprus become an Ethnos? :roll:

What the hell is that? :lol:

No such word exists in English.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnos

Ethnic group derives from that word in case you didn't know it. And it's the FORMAL way of saying ethnic group... :roll:

Manufactured nonsense! No such word exists! :lol:

??? So Cypriots are not an ethnic group? :lol:

What are they an alien group? :lol:
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Postby bill cobbett » Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:33 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Klik wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Klik wrote:ΕΘΝΙΚΗ... when did Cyprus become an Ethnos? :roll:

What the hell is that? :lol:

No such word exists in English.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnos

Ethnic group derives from that word in case you didn't know it. And it's the FORMAL way of saying ethnic group... :roll:

Manufactured nonsense! No such word exists! :lol:

??? So Cypriots are not an ethnic group? :lol:

What are they an alien group? :lol:


Ethnos .... no such word is in common usage according to the Definitive Dictionary that is the OED....

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ethnocide, n.1974
ethnocultural, adj.1973
ethnodicy, n.1889
ethnogenesis, n.1962
ethnogenic, adj.
ethnogeny, n.?a1891
ethnographer, n.1854
ethnographic, adj.1836
ethnographical, adj.1842
ethnographically, adv.1839
ethnographist, n.1880
ethnography, n.1834
ethnohistory, n.1952
ethnolinguist, n.1957
ethnolinguistic, adj.1920
ethnolinguistics, n.1947
ethnologer, n.1850
ethnologic, adj.1864
ethnological, adj.1849
ethnologically, adv.1861
ethnologist, n.1842
ethnologize, v.1873
ethnology, n.1842
ethnomaniac, n.1863
ethnomedicine, n.1972
ethnomethodological,...1967
ethnomethodologist, n.1967
ethnomethodology, n.1967
ethnomusicology, n.1950
ethnonym, n.1964
ethnopharmacology, n.1967
ethnophaulism, n.1944
ethnopsychology, n.1886
ethnoscience, n.1964
ethnosemantic, adj.1969
ethnosemantics, n.1968
ethogram, n.1936
ethography, n.1878
ethologic, adj.186
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:23 pm

Natty wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Can we have your views on what the TCs suffered both in 1963 and 1974 the knife cuts both ways.


My view is that Turkish Cypriots' mistake has been to allow themselves to be used as proxies for Turkish strategic interests both in the 1960s and in 1974. In doing so, they have debased themselves and become morally corrupted in the process. Their degradation is the result of their own moral weakness and entirely self-inflicted.


In the face of enosis what did you expect that they support their own death warrant.


Typical scare tactics. Keep people in a state of constant fear, make them believe that your way is the best (namely occupation and partition), that only you can truly protect them. There is no alternative, unless you want to sign your own death warrant. Brilliant, truly inspired.

1155. Again, if the purpose of a settlement of the Cyprus question is to be the
preservation rather than the destruction of the State, and if it is to foster
rather than to militate against the development of a peacefully united people, I
cannot help wondering whether the physical division of the minority from the
majority should not be considered a desperate step in the wrong direction. I am
reluctant to believe, as the Turkish-Cypriot leadership claims, in the
"impossibility" of Greek-Cypriots and Turkish-Cypriots learning to live together
again in peace. In those parts of the country where movement controls have been
relaxed and tensions reduced, they are already proving otherwise.



http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... 0S6253.pdf



Hello Natty,

The Fascist NeoPartitionist need an excuse to justify the present division and future Taksim dreams, so the Enosis word will always be used, as if there was never a Taksim desires by the likes of Denktash long before 1960. The 1960 constitution was based on having Enosis and Taksim, hence the unworkable constitution that was created. VP wants everyone to believe, had Hitler was never born, there would never have been a Nazi Germany, as if the world was short of Fascists. Hitler was just one more. VP wants to distract readers, that had there never been a Enosis dreams by the GCs, there never would have been a division today. He fails to understand, that had there never been Enosis Dreams, it does not mean that there never would have been Taksim dreams all the same. Despite Enosis dreams have been long extinguished, VP wants to continue with his Taksim dreams all the same, which tells me, the likes of him, the Fascist's, would have pushed for Taksim whether there was any Enosis Dreams or not, and perhaps even a complete Enosis Cyprus with Turkey altogether. Now, that would have really made the Fascists day.!
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Postby Klik » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:53 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Klik wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Klik wrote:ΕΘΝΙΚΗ... when did Cyprus become an Ethnos? :roll:

What the hell is that? :lol:

No such word exists in English.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnos

Ethnic group derives from that word in case you didn't know it. And it's the FORMAL way of saying ethnic group... :roll:

Manufactured nonsense! No such word exists! :lol:

??? So Cypriots are not an ethnic group? :lol:

What are they an alien group? :lol:



What makes us an ETHNIC GROUP? According to you, we have "brothers" in the north, who do not speak our language, do not share our religion, the vast majority doesn't share heritage with us, yet you call them Cypriots...

A Cypriot is a mixture of Greeks, Armenians, Maronites and Latins. Get that in your head. What's next? Americans being an ethnic group? :roll:


You're not worth anyone's time, but we all need entertainment.
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