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[Natty]

Can we have your views on what the TCs suffered both in 1963 and 1974 the knife cuts both ways.

My view is that Turkish Cypriots' mistake has been to allow themselves to be used as proxies for Turkish strategic interests both in the 1960s and in 1974. In doing so, they have debased themselves and become morally corrupted in the process. Their degradation is the result of their own moral weakness and entirely self-inflicted.

In the face of enosis what did you expect that they support their own death warrant.

Typical scare tactics. Keep people in a state of constant fear, make them believe that your way is the best (namely occupation and partition), that only you can truly protect them. There is no alternative, unless you want to sign your own death warrant. Brilliant, truly inspired.

1155. Again, if the purpose of a settlement of the Cyprus question is to be the
preservation rather than the destruction of the State, and if it is to foster
rather than to militate against the development of a peacefully united people, I
cannot help wondering whether the physical division of the minority from the
majority should not be considered a desperate step in the wrong direction. I am
reluctant to believe, as the Turkish-Cypriot leadership claims, in the
"impossibility" of Greek-Cypriots and Turkish-Cypriots learning to live together
again in peace. In those parts of the country where movement controls have been
relaxed and tensions reduced, they are already proving otherwise.

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... 0S6253.pdf

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Can we have your views on what the TCs suffered both in 1963 and 1974 the knife cuts both ways.

My view is that Turkish Cypriots' mistake has been to allow themselves to be used as proxies for Turkish strategic interests both in the 1960s and in 1974. In doing so, they have debased themselves and become morally corrupted in the process. Their degradation is the result of their own moral weakness and entirely self-inflicted.

In the face of enosis what did you expect that they support their own death warrant.

Typical scare tactics. Keep people in a state of constant fear, make them believe that your way is the best (namely occupation and partition), that only you can truly protect them. There is no alternative, unless you want to sign your own death warrant. Brilliant, truly inspired.

1155. Again, if the purpose of a settlement of the Cyprus question is to be the
preservation rather than the destruction of the State, and if it is to foster
rather than to militate against the development of a peacefully united people, I
cannot help wondering whether the physical division of the minority from the
majority should not be considered a desperate step in the wrong direction. I am
reluctant to believe, as the Turkish-Cypriot leadership claims, in the
"impossibility" of Greek-Cypriots and Turkish-Cypriots learning to live together
again in peace. In those parts of the country where movement controls have been
relaxed and tensions reduced, they are already proving otherwise.

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... 0S6253.pdf

So just to be clear are you saying there was no enosis dream? the gifting of Cyprus to Greece and that we werent in danger? Remember Samson? Grivas? Papadopolous? Yorgadis? and many others i cant recall.

[Hermes]

So just to be clear are you saying there was no enosis dream? the gifting of Cyprus to Greece and that we werent in danger? Remember Samson? Grivas? Papadopolous? Yorgadis? and many others i cant recall.

By the 1970s The Greek Cypriots had no aspiration for union with Greece. The coup against Makarios in 1974 was backed by the US and the then fascist junta in Greece. Their target was not Turkish Cypriots but left-wing Greek Cypriots.

The Turkish army saw its chance and invaded Cyprus for strategic reasons having long nurtured a partitionist agenda along with its Turkish Cypriot proxies on the island. Turkey abused its rights under the treaty of guarantee and invaded a sovereign nation in order to pursue a policy of ethnic cleansing on an epic scale.

Since 1974, the United Nations has passed resolutions calling for the withdrawal of Turkish forces from the island, the removal of settlers and the right of return of all refugees. Turkey's refusal to do so is an act of belligerence and a continuing crime against the Cypriot people.

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So just to be clear are you saying there was no enosis dream? the gifting of Cyprus to Greece and that we werent in danger? Remember Samson? Grivas? Papadopolous? Yorgadis? and many others i cant recall.

By the 1970s The Greek Cypriots had no aspiration for union with Greece. The coup against Makarios in 1974 was backed by the US and the then fascist junta in Greece. Their target was not Turkish Cypriots but left-wing Greek Cypriots.

The Turkish army saw its chance and invaded Cyprus for strategic reasons having long nurtured a partitionist agenda along with its Turkish Cypriot proxies on the island. Turkey abused its rights under the treaty of guarantee and invaded a sovereign nation in order to pursue a policy of ethnic cleansing on an epic scale.

Since 1974, the United Nations has passed resolutions calling for the withdrawal of Turkish forces from the island, the removal of settlers and the right of return of all refugees. Turkey's refusal to do so is an act of belligerence and a continuing crime against the Cypriot people.

Taksim was a direct result of enosis, your perverted religious leader makarios was still harbouring the dream to rid the island of its TC population and unite with Greece, do you remember Akritas?

[Hermes]

So just to be clear are you saying there was no enosis dream? the gifting of Cyprus to Greece and that we werent in danger? Remember Samson? Grivas? Papadopolous? Yorgadis? and many others i cant recall.

By the 1970s The Greek Cypriots had no aspiration for union with Greece. The coup against Makarios in 1974 was backed by the US and the then fascist junta in Greece. Their target was not Turkish Cypriots but left-wing Greek Cypriots.

The Turkish army saw its chance and invaded Cyprus for strategic reasons having long nurtured a partitionist agenda along with its Turkish Cypriot proxies on the island. Turkey abused its rights under the treaty of guarantee and invaded a sovereign nation in order to pursue a policy of ethnic cleansing on an epic scale.

Since 1974, the United Nations has passed resolutions calling for the withdrawal of Turkish forces from the island, the removal of settlers and the right of return of all refugees. Turkey's refusal to do so is an act of belligerence and a continuing crime against the Cypriot people.

Taksim was a direct result of enosis, your perverted religious leader makarios was still harbouring the dream to rid the island of its TC population and unite with Greece, do you remember Akritas?

The coup in 1974 was directed against Makarios you idiot.

[Viewpoint]

So just to be clear are you saying there was no enosis dream? the gifting of Cyprus to Greece and that we werent in danger? Remember Samson? Grivas? Papadopolous? Yorgadis? and many others i cant recall.

By the 1970s The Greek Cypriots had no aspiration for union with Greece. The coup against Makarios in 1974 was backed by the US and the then fascist junta in Greece. Their target was not Turkish Cypriots but left-wing Greek Cypriots.

The Turkish army saw its chance and invaded Cyprus for strategic reasons having long nurtured a partitionist agenda along with its Turkish Cypriot proxies on the island. Turkey abused its rights under the treaty of guarantee and invaded a sovereign nation in order to pursue a policy of ethnic cleansing on an epic scale.

Since 1974, the United Nations has passed resolutions calling for the withdrawal of Turkish forces from the island, the removal of settlers and the right of return of all refugees. Turkey's refusal to do so is an act of belligerence and a continuing crime against the Cypriot people.

Taksim was a direct result of enosis, your perverted religious leader makarios was still harbouring the dream to rid the island of its TC population and unite with Greece, do you remember Akritas?

The coup in 1974 was against Makarios you idiot.

The dream was alive and kicking but this pervert was moving towards his goal by forcing TC to leave the island using his underhand tactics but the coup was to speed things up, same goal different application and players you moron.

[Hermes]

So just to be clear are you saying there was no enosis dream? the gifting of Cyprus to Greece and that we werent in danger? Remember Samson? Grivas? Papadopolous? Yorgadis? and many others i cant recall.

By the 1970s The Greek Cypriots had no aspiration for union with Greece. The coup against Makarios in 1974 was backed by the US and the then fascist junta in Greece. Their target was not Turkish Cypriots but left-wing Greek Cypriots.

The Turkish army saw its chance and invaded Cyprus for strategic reasons having long nurtured a partitionist agenda along with its Turkish Cypriot proxies on the island. Turkey abused its rights under the treaty of guarantee and invaded a sovereign nation in order to pursue a policy of ethnic cleansing on an epic scale.

Since 1974, the United Nations has passed resolutions calling for the withdrawal of Turkish forces from the island, the removal of settlers and the right of return of all refugees. Turkey's refusal to do so is an act of belligerence and a continuing crime against the Cypriot people.

Taksim was a direct result of enosis, your perverted religious leader makarios was still harbouring the dream to rid the island of its TC population and unite with Greece, do you remember Akritas?

The coup in 1974 was against Makarios you idiot.

The dream was alive and kicking but this pervert was moving towards his goal by forcing TC to leave the island using his underhand tactics but the coup was to speed things up, same goal different application and players.

No it wasn't. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

[Viewpoint]

So just to be clear are you saying there was no enosis dream? the gifting of Cyprus to Greece and that we werent in danger? Remember Samson? Grivas? Papadopolous? Yorgadis? and many others i cant recall.

By the 1970s The Greek Cypriots had no aspiration for union with Greece. The coup against Makarios in 1974 was backed by the US and the then fascist junta in Greece. Their target was not Turkish Cypriots but left-wing Greek Cypriots.

The Turkish army saw its chance and invaded Cyprus for strategic reasons having long nurtured a partitionist agenda along with its Turkish Cypriot proxies on the island. Turkey abused its rights under the treaty of guarantee and invaded a sovereign nation in order to pursue a policy of ethnic cleansing on an epic scale.

Since 1974, the United Nations has passed resolutions calling for the withdrawal of Turkish forces from the island, the removal of settlers and the right of return of all refugees. Turkey's refusal to do so is an act of belligerence and a continuing crime against the Cypriot people.

Taksim was a direct result of enosis, your perverted religious leader makarios was still harbouring the dream to rid the island of its TC population and unite with Greece, do you remember Akritas?

The coup in 1974 was against Makarios you idiot.

The dream was alive and kicking but this pervert was moving towards his goal by forcing TC to leave the island using his underhand tactics but the coup was to speed things up, same goal different application and players.

No it wasn't. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

You are really showing how ignorant you are and how you are still following the propaganda fed to you. Do you recall Aktritas?

[Natty]

Can we have your views on what the TCs suffered both in 1963 and 1974 the knife cuts both ways.

My view is that Turkish Cypriots' mistake has been to allow themselves to be used as proxies for Turkish strategic interests both in the 1960s and in 1974. In doing so, they have debased themselves and become morally corrupted in the process. Their degradation is the result of their own moral weakness and entirely self-inflicted.

In the face of enosis what did you expect that they support their own death warrant.

Typical scare tactics. Keep people in a state of constant fear, make them believe that your way is the best (namely occupation and partition), that only you can truly protect them. There is no alternative, unless you want to sign your own death warrant. Brilliant, truly inspired.

1155. Again, if the purpose of a settlement of the Cyprus question is to be the
preservation rather than the destruction of the State, and if it is to foster
rather than to militate against the development of a peacefully united people, I
cannot help wondering whether the physical division of the minority from the
majority should not be considered a desperate step in the wrong direction. I am
reluctant to believe, as the Turkish-Cypriot leadership claims, in the
"impossibility" of Greek-Cypriots and Turkish-Cypriots learning to live together
again in peace. In those parts of the country where movement controls have been
relaxed and tensions reduced, they are already proving otherwise.

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... 0S6253.pdf

So just to be clear are you saying there was no enosis dream? the gifting of Cyprus to Greece and that we werent in danger? Remember Samson? Grivas? Papadopolous? Yorgadis? and many others i cant recall.

In the 50's was enosis an aim? Yes, I'm not denying that. However lets zoom forward a few years. In 1974 was the Enosis dream still alive? Yes it was. This time it was being peddled by EOKA B. Did the vast majority of Greek Cypriots support EOKA B and their views? No, indeed many were killed because of this. Did the vast majority of Greek Cypriots support the coup that aimed to bring about this new version of Enosis? No they did not, indeed many fought against it.



So after the first wave of the invasion had occurred, after the very unpopular coup had systematically failed. Are you telling me that the only option for the Turkish Cypriots at that time was the forceful and violent segregation of the two communities by the Turkish Army?

[Hermes]

You are really showing how ignorant you are and how you are still following the propaganda fed to you. Do you recall Aktritas?

Why do you reply to my posts with such inanities? The coup in 1974 was engineered by fascists in Greece and carried out by their proxies on the island. It was directed against Makarios and yet you claim he was responsible for it. There was no widespread support amongst the Greek Cypriot population to be united with Greece at the time. Many were in fact victims of the coup and fought against it. Unless you grasp this basic fact I'd appreciate it if you would stop replying to my posts as it wastes my time having to continually correct you.