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[zan]

Just saw Eroglu's proposals for power sharing. They include spearate sovereignty for each constituent state, the power of each to sign internatioanl agreements, the continued guarantees of BOTH states by Turkey, Greece and UK, and a proviso which really is cute: in the event of one state leaving the union it will not remove the satus of the other state.

I would love to hear Bananiot's interpretation of these proposals. No doubt there will be the usual "each new proposal is worse than the last one, it is our fault for not accepting the last one". To which the counter is that the new proposal shows us what the Eroglus had in mind when we were discussing the last one.

While we talk BBF and such bullshit they are really talking partition. IF partition is on the table then let us call it by its name and stop the crap about unitary states and federal structures. Negotiating partition openly and realistically puts a whole different slant on things and changes the international situation radically. Using the word reunification to disguise it obviously helps the invader.

Who is fooling who in this idiotic game anyway?

Nikita, you have just stated we we all know already. Save your breath with Bananiotoglu, for there is no action the GCs can take to please him, other than accept everything the Turks place before us.

To him we will always be racists, facists, cretins and rejectionists, because we keep rejecting every shit of a plan to rob us of our own country. As far as Bananiotoglu is concerned, as long as his Turkish mates are sorted, he couldn't give a shit about the GC comminity.

All the same, a good post. btw, do you have a link to where Mr E. made that statement? Are those his actual words?

Hear that Nikitas..................REJECTED!!!!!!!!!

Of course rejected, were they accepted??? What the opposite of accept?? Whatelse will you call it. When the deal is shit, you don't just expect us to take it with both hands do you????

Every possible solution/plan/give it any pseudo name you want, that was ever placed before the GC community was to favour your lot. We would always be worst off than we are today, why would we?

You can place as many deals forward, until there is one that is right for us, you can stick them up your arse.

Right back atcha mate!!!!

[Nikitas]

Help us? Help for what?

Your harping on about help shows your mindset, that you cannot see yourselves as free people, without a permanent protector. GCs have gone past that stage a long time ago.

While we are this, can anyone mention a Federal state anywhere in the world where the federal regions have the ability to conclude international agreements? It would be interesting to see if such a thing exists anywhere but a twisted partitionist mind.

[B25]

Just saw Eroglu's proposals for power sharing. They include spearate sovereignty for each constituent state, the power of each to sign internatioanl agreements, the continued guarantees of BOTH states by Turkey, Greece and UK, and a proviso which really is cute: in the event of one state leaving the union it will not remove the satus of the other state.

I would love to hear Bananiot's interpretation of these proposals. No doubt there will be the usual "each new proposal is worse than the last one, it is our fault for not accepting the last one". To which the counter is that the new proposal shows us what the Eroglus had in mind when we were discussing the last one.

While we talk BBF and such bullshit they are really talking partition. IF partition is on the table then let us call it by its name and stop the crap about unitary states and federal structures. Negotiating partition openly and realistically puts a whole different slant on things and changes the international situation radically. Using the word reunification to disguise it obviously helps the invader.

Who is fooling who in this idiotic game anyway?

Nikita, you have just stated we we all know already. Save your breath with Bananiotoglu, for there is no action the GCs can take to please him, other than accept everything the Turks place before us.

To him we will always be racists, facists, cretins and rejectionists, because we keep rejecting every shit of a plan to rob us of our own country. As far as Bananiotoglu is concerned, as long as his Turkish mates are sorted, he couldn't give a shit about the GC comminity.

All the same, a good post. btw, do you have a link to where Mr E. made that statement? Are those his actual words?

Hear that Nikitas..................REJECTED!!!!!!!!!

Of course rejected, were they accepted??? What the opposite of accept?? Whatelse will you call it. When the deal is shit, you don't just expect us to take it with both hands do you????

Every possible solution/plan/give it any pseudo name you want, that was ever placed before the GC community was to favour your lot. We would always be worst off than we are today, why would we?

You can place as many deals forward, until there is one that is right for us, you can stick them up your arse.

Right back atcha mate!!!!

I don't think so, you are the crimnal here, you are the invader, you are the one that needs to back off.

In fact you are the nobodies, unrecognised, untrusted, no direct trade, no direct fights and you expect us to be the ones to give? I don't think so.

Now go away boy and re-consider.

[zan]

Help us? Help for what?

Your harping on about help shows your mindset, that you cannot see yourselves as free people, without a permanent protector. GCs have gone past that stage a long time ago.

While we are this, can anyone mention a Federal state anywhere in the world where the federal regions have the ability to conclude international agreements? It would be interesting to see if such a thing exists anywhere but a twisted partitionist mind.

Yes! We have come a long way since the Denktas/Makarios accords haven't we

[zan]

Just saw Eroglu's proposals for power sharing. They include spearate sovereignty for each constituent state, the power of each to sign internatioanl agreements, the continued guarantees of BOTH states by Turkey, Greece and UK, and a proviso which really is cute: in the event of one state leaving the union it will not remove the satus of the other state.

I would love to hear Bananiot's interpretation of these proposals. No doubt there will be the usual "each new proposal is worse than the last one, it is our fault for not accepting the last one". To which the counter is that the new proposal shows us what the Eroglus had in mind when we were discussing the last one.

While we talk BBF and such bullshit they are really talking partition. IF partition is on the table then let us call it by its name and stop the crap about unitary states and federal structures. Negotiating partition openly and realistically puts a whole different slant on things and changes the international situation radically. Using the word reunification to disguise it obviously helps the invader.

Who is fooling who in this idiotic game anyway?

Nikita, you have just stated we we all know already. Save your breath with Bananiotoglu, for there is no action the GCs can take to please him, other than accept everything the Turks place before us.

To him we will always be racists, facists, cretins and rejectionists, because we keep rejecting every shit of a plan to rob us of our own country. As far as Bananiotoglu is concerned, as long as his Turkish mates are sorted, he couldn't give a shit about the GC comminity.

All the same, a good post. btw, do you have a link to where Mr E. made that statement? Are those his actual words?

Hear that Nikitas..................REJECTED!!!!!!!!!

Of course rejected, were they accepted??? What the opposite of accept?? Whatelse will you call it. When the deal is shit, you don't just expect us to take it with both hands do you????

Every possible solution/plan/give it any pseudo name you want, that was ever placed before the GC community was to favour your lot. We would always be worst off than we are today, why would we?

You can place as many deals forward, until there is one that is right for us, you can stick them up your arse.

Right back atcha mate!!!!

I don't think so, you are the crimnal here, you are the invader, you are the one that needs to back off.

In fact you are the nobodies, unrecognised, untrusted, no direct trade, no direct fights and you expect us to be the ones to give? I don't think so.

Now go away boy and re-consider.

Ditto!

[B25]

Just saw Eroglu's proposals for power sharing. They include spearate sovereignty for each constituent state, the power of each to sign internatioanl agreements, the continued guarantees of BOTH states by Turkey, Greece and UK, and a proviso which really is cute: in the event of one state leaving the union it will not remove the satus of the other state.

I would love to hear Bananiot's interpretation of these proposals. No doubt there will be the usual "each new proposal is worse than the last one, it is our fault for not accepting the last one". To which the counter is that the new proposal shows us what the Eroglus had in mind when we were discussing the last one.

While we talk BBF and such bullshit they are really talking partition. IF partition is on the table then let us call it by its name and stop the crap about unitary states and federal structures. Negotiating partition openly and realistically puts a whole different slant on things and changes the international situation radically. Using the word reunification to disguise it obviously helps the invader.

Who is fooling who in this idiotic game anyway?

Nikita, you have just stated we we all know already. Save your breath with Bananiotoglu, for there is no action the GCs can take to please him, other than accept everything the Turks place before us.

To him we will always be racists, facists, cretins and rejectionists, because we keep rejecting every shit of a plan to rob us of our own country. As far as Bananiotoglu is concerned, as long as his Turkish mates are sorted, he couldn't give a shit about the GC comminity.

All the same, a good post. btw, do you have a link to where Mr E. made that statement? Are those his actual words?

Hear that Nikitas..................REJECTED!!!!!!!!!

Of course rejected, were they accepted??? What the opposite of accept?? Whatelse will you call it. When the deal is shit, you don't just expect us to take it with both hands do you????

Every possible solution/plan/give it any pseudo name you want, that was ever placed before the GC community was to favour your lot. We would always be worst off than we are today, why would we?

You can place as many deals forward, until there is one that is right for us, you can stick them up your arse.

Right back atcha mate!!!!

I don't think so, you are the crimnal here, you are the invader, you are the one that needs to back off.

In fact you are the nobodies, unrecognised, untrusted, no direct trade, no direct fights and you expect us to be the ones to give? I don't think so.

Now go away boy and re-consider.

Ditto!

Well talk about confessions, you didn't dispute any of the points I made, but replied with 'ditto'. it's good to see you are owning up to your crimes against Cyprus and it's legitimate indigenous peoples. Not foreign invaders.

But then I was just stating the obvious!

[Nikitas]

"Yes! We have come a long way since the Denktas/Makarios accords haven't we "

POrecisely, and as paragons of virtue and honesty that you paint the TCs to be, why not make an honest declaration that the goal is partition, so the world knows that is what and stop this reunification charade?

But the bazaar mentality is a problem. Davut's schemes might be grandiose, but the instinct of the bargain hunter remain. Like the yanks said, he wants a Rolls at the price of a Rover. He is going to end up with a Hillman Pimp with no MOT.

[zan]

Just saw Eroglu's proposals for power sharing. They include spearate sovereignty for each constituent state, the power of each to sign internatioanl agreements, the continued guarantees of BOTH states by Turkey, Greece and UK, and a proviso which really is cute: in the event of one state leaving the union it will not remove the satus of the other state.

I would love to hear Bananiot's interpretation of these proposals. No doubt there will be the usual "each new proposal is worse than the last one, it is our fault for not accepting the last one". To which the counter is that the new proposal shows us what the Eroglus had in mind when we were discussing the last one.

While we talk BBF and such bullshit they are really talking partition. IF partition is on the table then let us call it by its name and stop the crap about unitary states and federal structures. Negotiating partition openly and realistically puts a whole different slant on things and changes the international situation radically. Using the word reunification to disguise it obviously helps the invader.

Who is fooling who in this idiotic game anyway?

Nikita, you have just stated we we all know already. Save your breath with Bananiotoglu, for there is no action the GCs can take to please him, other than accept everything the Turks place before us.

To him we will always be racists, facists, cretins and rejectionists, because we keep rejecting every shit of a plan to rob us of our own country. As far as Bananiotoglu is concerned, as long as his Turkish mates are sorted, he couldn't give a shit about the GC comminity.

All the same, a good post. btw, do you have a link to where Mr E. made that statement? Are those his actual words?

Hear that Nikitas..................REJECTED!!!!!!!!!

Of course rejected, were they accepted??? What the opposite of accept?? Whatelse will you call it. When the deal is shit, you don't just expect us to take it with both hands do you????

Every possible solution/plan/give it any pseudo name you want, that was ever placed before the GC community was to favour your lot. We would always be worst off than we are today, why would we?

You can place as many deals forward, until there is one that is right for us, you can stick them up your arse.

Right back atcha mate!!!!

I don't think so, you are the crimnal here, you are the invader, you are the one that needs to back off.

In fact you are the nobodies, unrecognised, untrusted, no direct trade, no direct fights and you expect us to be the ones to give? I don't think so.

Now go away boy and re-consider.

Ditto!

Well talk about confessions, you didn't dispute any of the points I made, but replied with 'ditto'. it's good to see you are owning up to your crimes against Cyprus and it's legitimate indigenous peoples. Not foreign invaders.

But then I was just stating the obvious!

Ditto =What I wrote before (Right back atcha mate)

[zan]

"Yes! We have come a long way since the Denktas/Makarios accords haven't we "

POrecisely, and as paragons of virtue and honesty that you paint the TCs to be, why not make an honest declaration that the goal is partition, so the world knows that is what and stop this reunification charade?

But the bazaar mentality is a problem. Davut's schemes might be grandiose, but the instinct of the bargain hunter remain. Like the yanks said, he wants a Rolls at the price of a Rover. He is going to end up with a Hillman Pimp with no MOT.

You are digging a bigger hole for yourself Nikitas. You have stated two arguments on this thread. Your opener was hat the TCs should be more honest and then offer to provide me proof of them doing just that Which is it to be and can we now assume the GCs are the ones hiding their real intentions

[Nikitas]

Zan,

You are laboring under a false assumption, that Enosis remains a valid goal for the GC community. This may be a useful rallying point for partitionists but does not reflect reality. Even a superficial look at any day's press of Cyprus and Greece would dispel such an assumption. But you are stuck in the groove of Enosis, Megali Idea etc and you sound like the lunatic fringe of the most flung out flat earthers of Greek politics.

And to counter this phantom you are ready to accept the intensifying colonisation of the north, the marginalisation of TCs in their own country and ultimate partition. Which is OK with me, as long as someone at some point, officially states that the Turkish side is no longer into this BBF fairy story and puts PARTITION on the table. I want to see the reaction from the international community at that one. And that of Turkey's elite when they realise that a fully independent "south Cyprus" will have absolute claims to its continental shelf and exclusive economic zone. Because you cannot partition and still stake a claim based on the myth of joint ownership.

Remember what the Israeli minister said? "When the Leviathan gas field comes on line the Nabucco pipeline will become a pipe dream. The word Nabucco will remind us of the title of a Verdi opera and nothing else". Cyprus owns half of the field. Which might explain the aversion of Turkey to the word partition.