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[Gregory]

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[Kikapu]

Kikapu

So Turkey is not choosing the TCs over the EU as you have been bragging all this time.!

Wrong, 1974, 40,000 troops, 450 million financial support, the AP, the Ankara Protocol and one ounce statement is proof enough, how stupid you look.

It is also very clear, that Turkey invaded Cyprus for herself, and not to come and protect the TCs, as per Davutoglu's claim in his book.

For whatever reason thank god they did.

Annan Plan would have been the final icing on the cake for Turkey, to be able to control all of Cyprus.

Another sign that Turkey wanted to give the TCs the best deal they could get, because in effect whats bad for the GCs is good for us and the GCs rejected the AP.

Now that the EU has gotten from the horse's mouth that Turkey plans to keep EU territory for herself, is now you will see what the EU leverage is going to be all about.

Lets see what they have, hope it starts real soon, have a feeling you are gonna be real disappointed.

Firstly, the EU will start keeping Turkey at an arms length until Turkey withdraws her EU application or is outright pushed out by the EU.

Nothing new there, Turkey will wait for the EU to shelve her application.

Secondly, the EU will start reducing investments in Turkey as well as reduce imports from Turkey. The more Turkey leans towards Iran, the more the Americans will distance themselves from Turkey. Turkey's economy will go into the toilet as a result.

The EU cannot do such things these are decision taken by european businessmen and if working with Turkey makes them money they will continue to do so.

As for relations Turkey with America will always be strong the Americans need a strong ally in the region and Turkey is the best partner, the economy thing you have been predicting for years now but still no collapse shows how little you really know.

Thirdly, the EU and the US will demand that Turkey withdraw from Cyprus in the hopes that Turkey will say "NO".

Dream on, total speculation.

Fourthly, that's when the "fireworks" will start to degrade Turkey's military machine.

Total rubbish, its been 37 years and no fireworks, wishful thinking at best.

Fifthly, upon Turkey "giving back" the north it occupies, will be the beginning of the end of Turkey as we know it today. As the gentlemen I spoke with in Turkey a year ago stated very clearly, that if Turkey loses Cyprus, she will lose a lot more in Turkey. No wonder Erdogan is afraid to lose even a gram of the north. The north is Turkey's Achilles' heel and the weakest link in the chain of her military machine.

Doom and gloom yet again as I stated before you always predict Turkey will evaporate which you denied and show you are a a liar and twist and turn with the wind as it sits your GC propaganda minded statements.

Turkey will always choose the TRNC over anything you try to blackmail her with, may make you sick but its 100% true.

I'm sure Erdogan is going to come back and say that he was misquoted in what he said. He is going to correct everyone by saying that he did not say "Turkey would not return a gram of Cyprus, but that he said, that Turkey would not return an inch of Cyprus."!

Why should we give back anything? its obvious we cannot agree anything with GCs who want to turn the whole island into a Greek island.

I'm not going to go line by line to answer you, if you don't mind, but in short, look where Turkey was before 2004 and since. Even you can see that Turkey has been alienating the very countries who have been supporting her since 1974, but far less support these days. The wiki-leaks revealed what the Americans think of the Turkish leadership. The Israelis just murdered 9 Turks on a boat because the Turks thought they were untouchable. They did not even get an apology as demanded by Turkey. Christ, Turkey can't even make Israel give an apology and you call Turkey a regional power that you think the Americans need.? Sorry to burst your bubble, but America already have a regional power and it's called ISRAEL.

With all the air bases the Americans now have in Iraq, they don't need Inçirlik in Turkey anymore. Worse comes to worse, Kurds in Iraq will declare independence from Iraq with the oil in Kirkuk and keep the American airbase in Mosul if the rest of Iraq wants the US to leave. The Kurds are the new friends of the Americans in the region. With the wealth from oil and American support, Turkey will not be able to prevent the Kurds from creating their own state.

As for the EU business man looking for deals, have you heard of places like China and India as well as many more places that are cheaper to buy from than Turkey. The only reason they are trading with Turkey with so much capital invested in Turkey by them, was in the hopes to make more money in stable Turkey as a EU member. Once the EU membership is gone for Turkey, so will Turkey's economy. You better get use to getting along with less in the north, because it has already started that Turkey is not going to pay to keep the north afloat in the standard you have been use to. It will be the same as is in Turkey for the north from now on!

How much pleasure does this give you? Is it orgasmic? Would all your Christmases and birthdays come at once if it was indeed the case?

So you want to shoot the messenger now, do you.??

I'm not the one who has been living in the Never Never Land Fantasy worldin the Corrupted Society your leaders built for you and you went along for the ride without asking any questions.!

In any case, I'm sure you will be just fine with your £1.5 million you got from the sale of 25 dönüms of stolen GC land, earning 18% in Turkish banks as Turkish Liras, or is it down to 6% these days. Perhaps since you are so concerned with the TCs losing their standard of living they have been use to on Turkey's hand out, you might want to spread your wealth that you did not work for it with the needy.!

[Jerry]

The European Court of Human Rights insisted that for the Immovable Property Commission to be recognised restitution should be one of the possible remedies on offer. Perhaps the Court should ask Erdogan to clarify the matter or is the IPC now defunct.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu

So Turkey is not choosing the TCs over the EU as you have been bragging all this time.!

Wrong, 1974, 40,000 troops, 450 million financial support, the AP, the Ankara Protocol and one ounce statement is proof enough, how stupid you look.

It is also very clear, that Turkey invaded Cyprus for herself, and not to come and protect the TCs, as per Davutoglu's claim in his book.

For whatever reason thank god they did.

Annan Plan would have been the final icing on the cake for Turkey, to be able to control all of Cyprus.

Another sign that Turkey wanted to give the TCs the best deal they could get, because in effect whats bad for the GCs is good for us and the GCs rejected the AP.

Now that the EU has gotten from the horse's mouth that Turkey plans to keep EU territory for herself, is now you will see what the EU leverage is going to be all about.

Lets see what they have, hope it starts real soon, have a feeling you are gonna be real disappointed.

Firstly, the EU will start keeping Turkey at an arms length until Turkey withdraws her EU application or is outright pushed out by the EU.

Nothing new there, Turkey will wait for the EU to shelve her application.

Secondly, the EU will start reducing investments in Turkey as well as reduce imports from Turkey. The more Turkey leans towards Iran, the more the Americans will distance themselves from Turkey. Turkey's economy will go into the toilet as a result.

The EU cannot do such things these are decision taken by european businessmen and if working with Turkey makes them money they will continue to do so.

As for relations Turkey with America will always be strong the Americans need a strong ally in the region and Turkey is the best partner, the economy thing you have been predicting for years now but still no collapse shows how little you really know.

Thirdly, the EU and the US will demand that Turkey withdraw from Cyprus in the hopes that Turkey will say "NO".

Dream on, total speculation.

Fourthly, that's when the "fireworks" will start to degrade Turkey's military machine.

Total rubbish, its been 37 years and no fireworks, wishful thinking at best.

Fifthly, upon Turkey "giving back" the north it occupies, will be the beginning of the end of Turkey as we know it today. As the gentlemen I spoke with in Turkey a year ago stated very clearly, that if Turkey loses Cyprus, she will lose a lot more in Turkey. No wonder Erdogan is afraid to lose even a gram of the north. The north is Turkey's Achilles' heel and the weakest link in the chain of her military machine.

Doom and gloom yet again as I stated before you always predict Turkey will evaporate which you denied and show you are a a liar and twist and turn with the wind as it sits your GC propaganda minded statements.

Turkey will always choose the TRNC over anything you try to blackmail her with, may make you sick but its 100% true.

I'm sure Erdogan is going to come back and say that he was misquoted in what he said. He is going to correct everyone by saying that he did not say "Turkey would not return a gram of Cyprus, but that he said, that Turkey would not return an inch of Cyprus."!

Why should we give back anything? its obvious we cannot agree anything with GCs who want to turn the whole island into a Greek island.

I'm not going to go line by line to answer you, if you don't mind, but in short, look where Turkey was before 2004 and since. Even you can see that Turkey has been alienating the very countries who have been supporting her since 1974, but far less support these days. The wiki-leaks revealed what the Americans think of the Turkish leadership. The Israelis just murdered 9 Turks on a boat because the Turks thought they were untouchable. They did not even get an apology as demanded by Turkey. Christ, Turkey can't even make Israel give an apology and you call Turkey a regional power that you think the Americans need.? Sorry to burst your bubble, but America already have a regional power and it's called ISRAEL.
With all the air bases the Americans now have in Iraq, they don't need Inçirlik in Turkey anymore. Worse comes to worse, Kurds in Iraq will declare independence from Iraq with the oil in Kirkuk and keep the American airbase in Mosul if the rest of Iraq wants the US to leave. The Kurds are the new friends of the Americans in the region. With the wealth from oil and American support, Turkey will not be able to prevent the Kurds from creating their own state.

As for the EU business man looking for deals, have you heard of places like China and India as well as many more places that are cheaper to buy from than Turkey. The only reason they are trading with Turkey with so much capital invested in Turkey by them, was in the hopes to make more money in stable Turkey as a EU member. Once the EU membership is gone for Turkey, so will Turkey's economy. You better get use to getting along with less in the north, because it has already started that Turkey is not going to pay to keep the north afloat in the standard you have been use to. It will be the same as is in Turkey for the north from now on!

Israel is an extension of the USA so who is going to mess with these scumbags? They are the one and only reason for the mess this region is in and yet you choose to side with them? Are you sure you're not a secret Greek or perhaps a secret Jew?

Once again, you want to shoot the messenger.!

I'm answering VP's questions. He is the one who stated that Turkey was the regional power and quite clearly, they are not, as you have pointed out correctly, that it is Israel. It was the TCs and Turkey who have been buddy buddy with Israel for the last 40+ years, just because Israel has been doing in Palestine what Turkey has been doing in Cyprus, but now that the party is over between Israel and Turkey, you see Israel as the bad guy. Where was your conscience for the last 40+ years. As a TC, I have always condemned Israel's actions against the Palestinians while you were in bed with Israel for the last 40+ years. Just because you finally took a shower to cleanse yourself of all the stains of the last 40+ years, don't try to take the high road with me now, because it won't get you anywhere.

You sound like those Born again (women) Christians who have been indiscriminate promiscuous sluts most of their lives while their body was able to and had sex appeal, but as soon as they lost it and were ignored by men, they became against sex outside marriage.!

[BirKibrisli]

What have I been telling you? Erdogan wants to join the EU like he wants a hole in the head! .

That's not what he said. He clearly wants BOTH Cyprus and EU, a lot! But, he can't have the EU without giving up Cyprus - but he is scared that Turkey cannot make it into the EU on its own steam - without Cyprus.

Did someone mention Scylla and Charybdis to him?

Turkey on the rocks ...

So you ignored the rest of my post...does that mean you agree with everything I said????

[Get Real!]

Go away TCs… not a gram of political power will be returned!

[BirKibrisli]

Go away TCs… not a gram of political power will be returned!

Who needs your handouts when the TCs have 100 % of Erdogan!

[Get Real!]

Go away TCs… not a gram of political power will be returned!

Who needs your handouts when the TCs have 100 % of Erdogan!

If Erdogan gets handouts why shouldn't you?

[Lit]

Go away TCs… not a gram of political power will be returned!

Who needs your handouts when the TCs have 100 % of Erdogan!

They do not get 100% handouts from Erdogan. Plenty of TCs rely on the many benefits they receive from the RoC.

[Gregory]

Go away TCs… not a gram of political power will be returned!

Who needs your handouts when the TCs have 100 % of Erdogan!

If Erdogan gets handouts why shouldn't you?

It's a fair swap. Erdogan gives handouts and eroglu provides the handjobs.