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[Viewpoint]

As I stated Turkey has once again reconfirmed where they stand, they will always choose the TRNC over the EU, Merkel was out of order as it was the GCs who rejected the last deal on offer.

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

Responding to Chancellor Merkel Erdoghan yesterday said: " Turkey will not return a single gram of Cyprus".

He stated that it wasnt worth entering the EU in exchange for northern Cyprus. Not even a single gram, you should know that blathered Erdogan.

He also stated that Merkel is clueless and demanded an apology from her.

There is a better chance of him getting an apology from the Turkophile Liberman then this ever happening.

[ZoC]

i think i see where u go wrong - u believe the propaganda u read in ur turkish newspapers (written in ur christian alphabet)... arabs loathe turks - they see u as pseudo-muslims.

Have you ever been to an Arab country south shitriot? Erdoğan is a hero from Morocco to UAE. (and I've been to 6 of them)

sure, that's what they tell u. but i've been to eight arab countries, (they're all big fans of the cyprus forum, u know - always check in for an update 'cos they love cypriots). they told me they hate turkey, they hate erdogan... and they also mentioned some stupid little prick, who goes on and on about turkish women's volleyball. they think he's a total laughing stock.

[Kikapu]

As I stated Turkey has once again reconfirmed where they stand, they will always choose the TRNC over the EU, Merkel was out of order as it was the GCs who rejected the last deal on offer.

So Turkey is not choosing the TCs over the EU as you have been bragging all this time.!

It is also very clear, that Turkey invaded Cyprus for herself, and not to come and protect the TCs, as per Davutoglu's claim in his book.

Annan Plan would have been the final icing on the cake for Turkey, to be able to control all of Cyprus.

Now that the EU has gotten from the horse's mouth that Turkey plans to keep EU territory for herself, is now you will see what the EU leverage is going to be all about.

Firstly, the EU will start keeping Turkey at an arms length until Turkey withdraws her EU application or is outright pushed out by the EU.

Secondly, the EU will start reducing investments in Turkey as well as reduce imports from Turkey. The more Turkey leans towards Iran, the more the Americans will distance themselves from Turkey. Turkey's economy will go into the toilet as a result.

Thirdly, the EU and the US will demand that Turkey withdraw from Cyprus in the hopes that Turkey will say "NO".

Fourthly, that's when the "fireworks" will start to degrade Turkey's military machine.

Fifthly, upon Turkey "giving back" the north it occupies, will be the beginning of the end of Turkey as we know it today. As the gentlemen I spoke with in Turkey a year ago stated very clearly, that if Turkey loses Cyprus, she will lose a lot more in Turkey. No wonder Erdogan is afraid to lose even a gram of the north. The north is Turkey's Achilles' heel and the weakest link in the chain of her military machine.

I'm sure Erdogan is going to come back and say that he was misquoted in what he said. He is going to correct everyone by saying that he did not say "Turkey would not return a gram of Cyprus, but that he said, that Turkey would not return an inch of Cyprus."!

[BirKibrisli]

What have I been telling you? Erdogan wants to join the EU like he wants a hole in the head! Those two idiots,Merkel and Sarkozy,are giving him the perfect weapon to fight with during the upcoming general elections in June...Most of Erdogan's latest statements are strictly for domestic consumption. He has both eyes on winning the upcoming election with an increased majority (a win with reduced majority is guaranteed) in order to make the necessary changes to the Constitution to turn Turkey into a Presidential style Federated Democratic Republic of which the trnc would be a part! Lets all drink a glass of cold water and consider what it might have been had we put some effort in making the original RoC survive and thrive...

[Oracle]

What have I been telling you? Erdogan wants to join the EU like he wants a hole in the head! .

That's not what he said. He clearly wants BOTH Cyprus and EU, a lot! But, he can't have the EU without giving up Cyprus - but he is scared that Turkey cannot make it into the EU on its own steam - without Cyprus.

Did someone mention Scylla and Charybdis to him?

Turkey on the rocks ...

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

So Turkey is not choosing the TCs over the EU as you have been bragging all this time.!

Wrong, 1974, 40,000 troops, 450 million financial support, the AP, the Ankara Protocol and one ounce statement is proof enough, how stupid you look.

It is also very clear, that Turkey invaded Cyprus for herself, and not to come and protect the TCs, as per Davutoglu's claim in his book.

For whatever reason thank god they did.

Annan Plan would have been the final icing on the cake for Turkey, to be able to control all of Cyprus.

Another sign that Turkey wanted to give the TCs the best deal they could get, because in effect whats bad for the GCs is good for us and the GCs rejected the AP.

Now that the EU has gotten from the horse's mouth that Turkey plans to keep EU territory for herself, is now you will see what the EU leverage is going to be all about.

Lets see what they have, hope it starts real soon, have a feeling you are gonna be real disappointed.

Firstly, the EU will start keeping Turkey at an arms length until Turkey withdraws her EU application or is outright pushed out by the EU.

Nothing new there, Turkey will wait for the EU to shelve her application.

Secondly, the EU will start reducing investments in Turkey as well as reduce imports from Turkey. The more Turkey leans towards Iran, the more the Americans will distance themselves from Turkey. Turkey's economy will go into the toilet as a result.

The EU cannot do such things these are decision taken by european businessmen and if working with Turkey makes them money they will continue to do so.

As for relations Turkey with America will always be strong the Americans need a strong ally in the region and Turkey is the best partner, the economy thing you have been predicting for years now but still no collapse shows how little you really know.

Thirdly, the EU and the US will demand that Turkey withdraw from Cyprus in the hopes that Turkey will say "NO".

Dream on, total speculation.

Fourthly, that's when the "fireworks" will start to degrade Turkey's military machine.

Total rubbish, its been 37 years and no fireworks, wishful thinking at best.

Fifthly, upon Turkey "giving back" the north it occupies, will be the beginning of the end of Turkey as we know it today. As the gentlemen I spoke with in Turkey a year ago stated very clearly, that if Turkey loses Cyprus, she will lose a lot more in Turkey. No wonder Erdogan is afraid to lose even a gram of the north. The north is Turkey's Achilles' heel and the weakest link in the chain of her military machine.

Doom and gloom yet again as I stated before you always predict Turkey will evaporate which you denied and show you are a a liar and twist and turn with the wind as it sits your GC propaganda minded statements.

Turkey will always choose the TRNC over anything you try to blackmail her with, may make you sick but its 100% true.

I'm sure Erdogan is going to come back and say that he was misquoted in what he said. He is going to correct everyone by saying that he did not say "Turkey would not return a gram of Cyprus, but that he said, that Turkey would not return an inch of Cyprus."!

Why should we give back anything? its obvious we cannot agree anything with GCs who want to turn the whole island into a Greek island.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu

So Turkey is not choosing the TCs over the EU as you have been bragging all this time.!

Wrong, 1974, 40,000 troops, 450 million financial support, the AP, the Ankara Protocol and one ounce statement is proof enough, how stupid you look.

It is also very clear, that Turkey invaded Cyprus for herself, and not to come and protect the TCs, as per Davutoglu's claim in his book.

For whatever reason thank god they did.

Annan Plan would have been the final icing on the cake for Turkey, to be able to control all of Cyprus.

Another sign that Turkey wanted to give the TCs the best deal they could get, because in effect whats bad for the GCs is good for us and the GCs rejected the AP.

Now that the EU has gotten from the horse's mouth that Turkey plans to keep EU territory for herself, is now you will see what the EU leverage is going to be all about.

Lets see what they have, hope it starts real soon, have a feeling you are gonna be real disappointed.

Firstly, the EU will start keeping Turkey at an arms length until Turkey withdraws her EU application or is outright pushed out by the EU.

Nothing new there, Turkey will wait for the EU to shelve her application.

Secondly, the EU will start reducing investments in Turkey as well as reduce imports from Turkey. The more Turkey leans towards Iran, the more the Americans will distance themselves from Turkey. Turkey's economy will go into the toilet as a result.

The EU cannot do such things these are decision taken by european businessmen and if working with Turkey makes them money they will continue to do so.

As for relations Turkey with America will always be strong the Americans need a strong ally in the region and Turkey is the best partner, the economy thing you have been predicting for years now but still no collapse shows how little you really know.

Thirdly, the EU and the US will demand that Turkey withdraw from Cyprus in the hopes that Turkey will say "NO".

Dream on, total speculation.

Fourthly, that's when the "fireworks" will start to degrade Turkey's military machine.

Total rubbish, its been 37 years and no fireworks, wishful thinking at best.

Fifthly, upon Turkey "giving back" the north it occupies, will be the beginning of the end of Turkey as we know it today. As the gentlemen I spoke with in Turkey a year ago stated very clearly, that if Turkey loses Cyprus, she will lose a lot more in Turkey. No wonder Erdogan is afraid to lose even a gram of the north. The north is Turkey's Achilles' heel and the weakest link in the chain of her military machine.

Doom and gloom yet again as I stated before you always predict Turkey will evaporate which you denied and show you are a a liar and twist and turn with the wind as it sits your GC propaganda minded statements.

Turkey will always choose the TRNC over anything you try to blackmail her with, may make you sick but its 100% true.

I'm sure Erdogan is going to come back and say that he was misquoted in what he said. He is going to correct everyone by saying that he did not say "Turkey would not return a gram of Cyprus, but that he said, that Turkey would not return an inch of Cyprus."!

Why should we give back anything? its obvious we cannot agree anything with GCs who want to turn the whole island into a Greek island.

I'm not going to go line by line to answer you, if you don't mind, but in short, look where Turkey was before 2004 and since. Even you can see that Turkey has been alienating the very countries who have been supporting her since 1974, but far less support these days. The wiki-leaks revealed what the Americans think of the Turkish leadership. The Israelis just murdered 9 Turks on a boat because the Turks thought they were untouchable. They did not even get an apology as demanded by Turkey. Christ, Turkey can't even make Israel give an apology and you call Turkey a regional power that you think the Americans need.? Sorry to burst your bubble, but America already have a regional power and it's called ISRAEL.

With all the air bases the Americans now have in Iraq, they don't need Inçirlik in Turkey anymore. Worse comes to worse, Kurds in Iraq will declare independence from Iraq with the oil in Kirkuk and keep the American airbase in Mosul if the rest of Iraq wants the US to leave. The Kurds are the new friends of the Americans in the region. With the wealth from oil and American support, Turkey will not be able to prevent the Kurds from creating their own state.

As for the EU business man looking for deals, have you heard of places like China and India as well as many more places that are cheaper to buy from than Turkey. The only reason they are trading with Turkey with so much capital invested in Turkey by them, was in the hopes to make more money in stable Turkey as a EU member. Once the EU membership is gone for Turkey, so will Turkey's economy. You better get use to getting along with less in the north, because it has already started that Turkey is not going to pay to keep the north afloat in the standard you have been use to. It will be the same as is in Turkey for the north from now on!

[lovernomore]

Kikapu

So Turkey is not choosing the TCs over the EU as you have been bragging all this time.!

Wrong, 1974, 40,000 troops, 450 million financial support, the AP, the Ankara Protocol and one ounce statement is proof enough, how stupid you look.

It is also very clear, that Turkey invaded Cyprus for herself, and not to come and protect the TCs, as per Davutoglu's claim in his book.

For whatever reason thank god they did.

Annan Plan would have been the final icing on the cake for Turkey, to be able to control all of Cyprus.

Another sign that Turkey wanted to give the TCs the best deal they could get, because in effect whats bad for the GCs is good for us and the GCs rejected the AP.

Now that the EU has gotten from the horse's mouth that Turkey plans to keep EU territory for herself, is now you will see what the EU leverage is going to be all about.

Lets see what they have, hope it starts real soon, have a feeling you are gonna be real disappointed.

Firstly, the EU will start keeping Turkey at an arms length until Turkey withdraws her EU application or is outright pushed out by the EU.

Nothing new there, Turkey will wait for the EU to shelve her application.

Secondly, the EU will start reducing investments in Turkey as well as reduce imports from Turkey. The more Turkey leans towards Iran, the more the Americans will distance themselves from Turkey. Turkey's economy will go into the toilet as a result.

The EU cannot do such things these are decision taken by european businessmen and if working with Turkey makes them money they will continue to do so.

As for relations Turkey with America will always be strong the Americans need a strong ally in the region and Turkey is the best partner, the economy thing you have been predicting for years now but still no collapse shows how little you really know.

Thirdly, the EU and the US will demand that Turkey withdraw from Cyprus in the hopes that Turkey will say "NO".

Dream on, total speculation.

Fourthly, that's when the "fireworks" will start to degrade Turkey's military machine.

Total rubbish, its been 37 years and no fireworks, wishful thinking at best.

Fifthly, upon Turkey "giving back" the north it occupies, will be the beginning of the end of Turkey as we know it today. As the gentlemen I spoke with in Turkey a year ago stated very clearly, that if Turkey loses Cyprus, she will lose a lot more in Turkey. No wonder Erdogan is afraid to lose even a gram of the north. The north is Turkey's Achilles' heel and the weakest link in the chain of her military machine.

Doom and gloom yet again as I stated before you always predict Turkey will evaporate which you denied and show you are a a liar and twist and turn with the wind as it sits your GC propaganda minded statements.

Turkey will always choose the TRNC over anything you try to blackmail her with, may make you sick but its 100% true.

I'm sure Erdogan is going to come back and say that he was misquoted in what he said. He is going to correct everyone by saying that he did not say "Turkey would not return a gram of Cyprus, but that he said, that Turkey would not return an inch of Cyprus."!

Why should we give back anything? its obvious we cannot agree anything with GCs who want to turn the whole island into a Greek island.

I'm not going to go line by line to answer you, if you don't mind, but in short, look where Turkey was before 2004 and since. Even you can see that Turkey has been alienating the very countries who have been supporting her since 1974, but far less support these days. The wiki-leaks revealed what the Americans think of the Turkish leadership. The Israelis just murdered 9 Turks on a boat because the Turks thought they were untouchable. They did not even get an apology as demanded by Turkey. Christ, Turkey can't even make Israel give an apology and you call Turkey a regional power that you think the Americans need.? Sorry to burst your bubble, but America already have a regional power and it's called ISRAEL.

With all the air bases the Americans now have in Iraq, they don't need Inçirlik in Turkey anymore. Worse comes to worse, Kurds in Iraq will declare independence from Iraq with the oil in Kirkuk and keep the American airbase in Mosul if the rest of Iraq wants the US to leave. The Kurds are the new friends of the Americans in the region. With the wealth from oil and American support, Turkey will not be able to prevent the Kurds from creating their own state.

As for the EU business man looking for deals, have you heard of places like China and India as well as many more places that are cheaper to buy from than Turkey. The only reason they are trading with Turkey with so much capital invested in Turkey by them, was in the hopes to make more money in stable Turkey as a EU member. Once the EU membership is gone for Turkey, so will Turkey's economy. You better get use to getting along with less in the north, because it has already started that Turkey is not going to pay to keep the north afloat in the standard you have been use to. It will be the same as is in Turkey for the north from now on![/quote]

How much pleasure does this give you? Is it orgasmic? Would all your Christmases and birthdays come at once if it was indeed the case?

[lovernomore]

Kikapu

So Turkey is not choosing the TCs over the EU as you have been bragging all this time.!

Wrong, 1974, 40,000 troops, 450 million financial support, the AP, the Ankara Protocol and one ounce statement is proof enough, how stupid you look.

It is also very clear, that Turkey invaded Cyprus for herself, and not to come and protect the TCs, as per Davutoglu's claim in his book.

For whatever reason thank god they did.

Annan Plan would have been the final icing on the cake for Turkey, to be able to control all of Cyprus.

Another sign that Turkey wanted to give the TCs the best deal they could get, because in effect whats bad for the GCs is good for us and the GCs rejected the AP.

Now that the EU has gotten from the horse's mouth that Turkey plans to keep EU territory for herself, is now you will see what the EU leverage is going to be all about.

Lets see what they have, hope it starts real soon, have a feeling you are gonna be real disappointed.

Firstly, the EU will start keeping Turkey at an arms length until Turkey withdraws her EU application or is outright pushed out by the EU.

Nothing new there, Turkey will wait for the EU to shelve her application.

Secondly, the EU will start reducing investments in Turkey as well as reduce imports from Turkey. The more Turkey leans towards Iran, the more the Americans will distance themselves from Turkey. Turkey's economy will go into the toilet as a result.

The EU cannot do such things these are decision taken by european businessmen and if working with Turkey makes them money they will continue to do so.

As for relations Turkey with America will always be strong the Americans need a strong ally in the region and Turkey is the best partner, the economy thing you have been predicting for years now but still no collapse shows how little you really know.

Thirdly, the EU and the US will demand that Turkey withdraw from Cyprus in the hopes that Turkey will say "NO".

Dream on, total speculation.

Fourthly, that's when the "fireworks" will start to degrade Turkey's military machine.

Total rubbish, its been 37 years and no fireworks, wishful thinking at best.

Fifthly, upon Turkey "giving back" the north it occupies, will be the beginning of the end of Turkey as we know it today. As the gentlemen I spoke with in Turkey a year ago stated very clearly, that if Turkey loses Cyprus, she will lose a lot more in Turkey. No wonder Erdogan is afraid to lose even a gram of the north. The north is Turkey's Achilles' heel and the weakest link in the chain of her military machine.

Doom and gloom yet again as I stated before you always predict Turkey will evaporate which you denied and show you are a a liar and twist and turn with the wind as it sits your GC propaganda minded statements.

Turkey will always choose the TRNC over anything you try to blackmail her with, may make you sick but its 100% true.

I'm sure Erdogan is going to come back and say that he was misquoted in what he said. He is going to correct everyone by saying that he did not say "Turkey would not return a gram of Cyprus, but that he said, that Turkey would not return an inch of Cyprus."!

Why should we give back anything? its obvious we cannot agree anything with GCs who want to turn the whole island into a Greek island.

I'm not going to go line by line to answer you, if you don't mind, but in short, look where Turkey was before 2004 and since. Even you can see that Turkey has been alienating the very countries who have been supporting her since 1974, but far less support these days. The wiki-leaks revealed what the Americans think of the Turkish leadership. The Israelis just murdered 9 Turks on a boat because the Turks thought they were untouchable. They did not even get an apology as demanded by Turkey. Christ, Turkey can't even make Israel give an apology and you call Turkey a regional power that you think the Americans need.? Sorry to burst your bubble, but America already have a regional power and it's called ISRAEL.
With all the air bases the Americans now have in Iraq, they don't need Inçirlik in Turkey anymore. Worse comes to worse, Kurds in Iraq will declare independence from Iraq with the oil in Kirkuk and keep the American airbase in Mosul if the rest of Iraq wants the US to leave. The Kurds are the new friends of the Americans in the region. With the wealth from oil and American support, Turkey will not be able to prevent the Kurds from creating their own state.

As for the EU business man looking for deals, have you heard of places like China and India as well as many more places that are cheaper to buy from than Turkey. The only reason they are trading with Turkey with so much capital invested in Turkey by them, was in the hopes to make more money in stable Turkey as a EU member. Once the EU membership is gone for Turkey, so will Turkey's economy. You better get use to getting along with less in the north, because it has already started that Turkey is not going to pay to keep the north afloat in the standard you have been use to. It will be the same as is in Turkey for the north from now on!

Israel is an extension of the USA so who is going to mess with these scumbags? They are the one and only reason for the mess this region is in and yet you choose to side with them? Are you sure you're not a secret Greek or perhaps a secret Jew?