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Postby All4114All » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:19 pm

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BirKibrisli wrote:...Until then this Ghandi will keep on his peaceful march, and try to increase your understanding and Compassion for the TC plight...?


Your aim is the complete antithesis of Ghandi's. You are a shameful fantasist for hijacking his cause.


I beg to differ...I am trying to enlighten you of the plight of the TCs during the 50s and 60s,of which I was an eyewitness...If we are going to have a just and lasting agreement we must stop this hatred and bitterness and try to promote empathy and compassion..If we don't have that we dont have understanding and trust..and without those we are condemned to permanent Partition...

By spreading hatred and bitterness YOU are practising a shameful act of treachery against my homeland,Cyprus...Time to get your head out of the sand,and realise the damage you are causing to our peace efforts...


Bir i can understand the plight of the Tcs but dont try to make TMT a group of angels . their main aim was and is taksim ..............Enosis was back then now does not exist .


What a stupid line.
The reason Enosis does not exist today because TC exist and because of Enosis,'Taksim' exists. So the road ends at Enosis.

Enosis=extinction & union with Greece
Taksim=Sharing the island between two communities seperately to avoid extinction.

Both may have the same meaning in regards to humanitarian violation and destruction of Cyprus which ever way you want to interpret both. But you just need to look at the history in brief during the time of Enosis 50's, 60's and 70's no peace in sight after 74' the separation (Taksim) no inter communal violence has happened.
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:24 pm

All4114All wrote:
quattro wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:...Until then this Ghandi will keep on his peaceful march, and try to increase your understanding and Compassion for the TC plight...?


Your aim is the complete antithesis of Ghandi's. You are a shameful fantasist for hijacking his cause.


I beg to differ...I am trying to enlighten you of the plight of the TCs during the 50s and 60s,of which I was an eyewitness...If we are going to have a just and lasting agreement we must stop this hatred and bitterness and try to promote empathy and compassion..If we don't have that we dont have understanding and trust..and without those we are condemned to permanent Partition...

By spreading hatred and bitterness YOU are practising a shameful act of treachery against my homeland,Cyprus...Time to get your head out of the sand,and realise the damage you are causing to our peace efforts...


Bir i can understand the plight of the Tcs but dont try to make TMT a group of angels . their main aim was and is taksim ..............Enosis was back then now does not exist .


What a stupid line.
The reason Enosis does not exist today because TC exist and because of Enosis, Taksim exists. So the road ends at Enosis.


Can someone provide a translation please? :?
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Postby quattro » Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:08 pm

All4114All wrote:
quattro wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:...Until then this Ghandi will keep on his peaceful march, and try to increase your understanding and Compassion for the TC plight...?


Your aim is the complete antithesis of Ghandi's. You are a shameful fantasist for hijacking his cause.


I beg to differ...I am trying to enlighten you of the plight of the TCs during the 50s and 60s,of which I was an eyewitness...If we are going to have a just and lasting agreement we must stop this hatred and bitterness and try to promote empathy and compassion..If we don't have that we dont have understanding and trust..and without those we are condemned to permanent Partition...

By spreading hatred and bitterness YOU are practising a shameful act of treachery against my homeland,Cyprus...Time to get your head out of the sand,and realise the damage you are causing to our peace efforts...


Bir i can understand the plight of the Tcs but dont try to make TMT a group of angels . their main aim was and is taksim ..............Enosis was back then now does not exist .


What a stupid line.
The reason Enosis does not exist today because TC exist and because of Enosis,'Taksim' exists. So the road ends at Enosis.

Enosis=extinction & union with Greece
Taksim=Sharing the island between two communities seperately to avoid extinction.

Both may have the same meaning in regards to humanitarian violation and destruction of Cyprus which ever way you want to interpret both. But you just need to look at the history in brief during the time of Enosis 50's, 60's and 70's no peace in sight after 74' the separation (Taksim) no inter communal violence has happened.


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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:05 pm

quattro wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:...Until then this Ghandi will keep on his peaceful march, and try to increase your understanding and Compassion for the TC plight...?


Your aim is the complete antithesis of Ghandi's. You are a shameful fantasist for hijacking his cause.


I beg to differ...I am trying to enlighten you of the plight of the TCs during the 50s and 60s,of which I was an eyewitness...If we are going to have a just and lasting agreement we must stop this hatred and bitterness and try to promote empathy and compassion..If we don't have that we dont have understanding and trust..and without those we are condemned to permanent Partition...

By spreading hatred and bitterness YOU are practising a shameful act of treachery against my homeland,Cyprus...Time to get your head out of the sand,and realise the damage you are causing to our peace efforts...


Bir i can understand the plight of the Tcs but dont try to make TMT a group of angels . their main aim was and is taksim ..............Enosis was back then now does not exist .


Do you realize the TMT came after eoka and the dream for enosis, Taksim was our way to survive the Gc desire to gift Cyprus to Greece and for us meant our death warrant.
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Postby Gregory » Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:25 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
quattro wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:...Until then this Ghandi will keep on his peaceful march, and try to increase your understanding and Compassion for the TC plight...?


Your aim is the complete antithesis of Ghandi's. You are a shameful fantasist for hijacking his cause.


I beg to differ...I am trying to enlighten you of the plight of the TCs during the 50s and 60s,of which I was an eyewitness...If we are going to have a just and lasting agreement we must stop this hatred and bitterness and try to promote empathy and compassion..If we don't have that we dont have understanding and trust..and without those we are condemned to permanent Partition...

By spreading hatred and bitterness YOU are practising a shameful act of treachery against my homeland,Cyprus...Time to get your head out of the sand,and realise the damage you are causing to our peace efforts...


Bir i can understand the plight of the Tcs but dont try to make TMT a group of angels . their main aim was and is taksim ..............Enosis was back then now does not exist .


Do you realize the TMT came after eoka and the dream for enosis, Taksim was our way to survive the Gc desire to gift Cyprus to Greece and for us meant our death warrant.


Taksim was not YOUR way to do anything! The TMT that were implanted onto this island to implement taksim at all costs was setup, funded and armed by Ankara.

taksim and the TMT were all about Turkey. YOU my friend have never really mattered to this whole equation.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:09 pm

Gregory wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
quattro wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:...Until then this Ghandi will keep on his peaceful march, and try to increase your understanding and Compassion for the TC plight...?


Your aim is the complete antithesis of Ghandi's. You are a shameful fantasist for hijacking his cause.


I beg to differ...I am trying to enlighten you of the plight of the TCs during the 50s and 60s,of which I was an eyewitness...If we are going to have a just and lasting agreement we must stop this hatred and bitterness and try to promote empathy and compassion..If we don't have that we dont have understanding and trust..and without those we are condemned to permanent Partition...

By spreading hatred and bitterness YOU are practising a shameful act of treachery against my homeland,Cyprus...Time to get your head out of the sand,and realise the damage you are causing to our peace efforts...


Bir i can understand the plight of the Tcs but dont try to make TMT a group of angels . their main aim was and is taksim ..............Enosis was back then now does not exist .


Do you realize the TMT came after eoka and the dream for enosis, Taksim was our way to survive the Gc desire to gift Cyprus to Greece and for us meant our death warrant.


Taksim was not YOUR way to do anything! The TMT that were implanted onto this island to implement taksim at all costs was setup, funded and armed by Ankara.

taksim and the TMT were all about Turkey. YOU my friend have never really mattered to this whole equation.


Which came first eoka or TMT? now you should be able to work out the rest or maybe not!!!!!
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Postby DT. » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:47 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Gregory wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
quattro wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:...Until then this Ghandi will keep on his peaceful march, and try to increase your understanding and Compassion for the TC plight...?


Your aim is the complete antithesis of Ghandi's. You are a shameful fantasist for hijacking his cause.


I beg to differ...I am trying to enlighten you of the plight of the TCs during the 50s and 60s,of which I was an eyewitness...If we are going to have a just and lasting agreement we must stop this hatred and bitterness and try to promote empathy and compassion..If we don't have that we dont have understanding and trust..and without those we are condemned to permanent Partition...

By spreading hatred and bitterness YOU are practising a shameful act of treachery against my homeland,Cyprus...Time to get your head out of the sand,and realise the damage you are causing to our peace efforts...


Bir i can understand the plight of the Tcs but dont try to make TMT a group of angels . their main aim was and is taksim ..............Enosis was back then now does not exist .


Do you realize the TMT came after eoka and the dream for enosis, Taksim was our way to survive the Gc desire to gift Cyprus to Greece and for us meant our death warrant.


Taksim was not YOUR way to do anything! The TMT that were implanted onto this island to implement taksim at all costs was setup, funded and armed by Ankara.

taksim and the TMT were all about Turkey. YOU my friend have never really mattered to this whole equation.


Which came first eoka or TMT? now you should be able to work out the rest or maybe not!!!!!



Good point by Greg
While you consider the fact that a Turkish organisation with Turkish military officers that were sent to Cyprus to split it, is cause for innocence because it was started 3 years after an anti colonialist organisation......also consider this: ask yourself how could it have been that immediately after the 13 points of Makarios a fully armed and manned Turkish millitary organisation was operating in Cyprus? Especially considering that their arms were meant to have been surrendered in 1959.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:48 pm

Which came first enosis or taksim? Stop avoiding the real question.
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Postby Oracle » Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:46 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Which came first enosis or taksim? Stop avoiding the real question.


Enosis via EOKA was a Cypriot Campaign --- did you not hear what our Colonialist Brits said?

What was Taksim?

You cannot compare Taksim with the Cypriot Campaign Struggle of EOKA desired by the majority of Cyprus.

At most, compare Taksim with the junta's coup in 1974. So in that case - the coup in 1974 came AFTER the TMT Taksim instigation - and probably because of Taksim!
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Postby Oracle » Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:51 pm

How about that! It's all fallen into place!

The junta-coup was a reaction agaisnt the continuing TMT/Taksim threat!
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