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[DT.]

So you insist on being in denial,huh,mala?????
Then you tell us how we will get out of this shit...If we don't agree why we are in the shit,how will we ever find the way out...???

who the f*ck's mala??? free cypriots aren't in shit. only those living in the latrine turkey's created for u in the north are. how u get out? i don't think u ever will. just drop the 'k' in turk to a 'd' and get comfortable.

ps..What we are entitled to is what we were given in the international agreements which formed the basis of the True RoC...You wanted to rob us most of those rights and had your Enosis drunk ancestors not made the fundamental fuk-up and invited Turkey to come in,you might've gotten away with daylight robbery...You fuked up then and you are fuking up now by trying to deny history...You will never learn...Hence there will never be an agreed solution apart from the status quo...The status quo however will not remain static...It will change in ways you will not like,and you will be helpless to do anything about it...So,keep it up,and you will kiss goodbye to 37% of Cyprus forever...The TCs have already lost 100% of Cyprus,so we dont give a fuk any more...

bitching about the past and threatening about the future. someone pull the chain... this steaming turd needs flushing away...

You know who you are, Malafuka!!!!

Keep on denying history and keeping your head in the sand,and your arse will be Turkey's forever...But,you might be enjoying it...

Bir, an observation. You live in the past so much it obviously blinds you of the realities of today.

You might even be the last ever TC standing, barking about the past.

yeah???? Cyprus is divided since 74...Turkey has 40,000 troops and nearing 500,000 settlers (aka new TCs) in the trnc...There is no solution in sight,and the status quo is likely to be set in stone,making sure there is no peace in my homeland for the next thousand years...

You idiots refuse to look at the past events and try to understand why we are in the present predicament...Let alone trying to find a realistic settlement...And you call me blind?????

difficult compromises that have landed the Cypriot Presidemt in hot water with his electorate. That's what the Gc side has done in the negotiations. Rotating presidencies, 50,000 settlers remaining, and many more, what has the tc side come up with? Oh yeah the other day eroglu asked if he could sign international agreements as a tc state and that should one of the states leave the union this wont affect the status of the other.

Ate, go find the reasons you're homeland will not have peace in Ankara and quit your bitching and moaning at us.

I am bitching and moaning to you because unless you come to your senses soon there will be no point even talking to each other...You are playing into Turkey's hands and you afe too thick to realise it...The only way you can get Turkey to remove herself from Cyprus is IF you come to a realistic solution,and agree to share power with the TCs proportionally,as in the agreed Consititution and the international treaties etc...That is your only hope...I am simply showing you what you need to do...To save Cyprus from being permanently divided...If you refuse to look back and hang your heads in shame at the way you treated the TCs,and show that you are prepared to be better partners next time,Cyprus will be swollowed up by the new geopolitical realities which are fast developing in our region..It is no skin off my nose,DT..I have my safe haven in Australia...My children and their children will not be living with the present and imminent danger of war and destruction for the rest of their lives...Can you say the same about yours???

Bir, you gotta be kidding me! You're going on about 1960s constitutions and proportional power sharing when the solution Christofias has offered is 99 steps away from that and 1 step away from a confederacy with autonomy in the north! (btw don't let vp catch you saying you want proportional power and 1960s constitutions cause that'll be the end of your new found friendship with partitionist numero UNO )

I'm not Ready to trust your community again but for the sake of the future I'll take a leap of faith. What's your excuse with everything offered from this side so far?

You are not ready to trust my community???
But you think they should trust yours???? You are a funny man,DT...
TCs have some red lines,based on their experiences with your community going back to the 50s....One of these lines is Turkey's guarantee...Is Christofias ready to agree to that???If not he is pissing in the wind...Are you ready to agree to that??? If not you are keeping your head in the sand...When you are ready to see the problem through TC eyes,like I am telling you,you might come up with realistic proposals...After all,the TCs will have to give up de facto Taksim to get into bed with you again...But only if you show signs of regretting you actions of the past...But before that you will need to acknowledge that your community fuked up big time...You are nowhere near that now..Telling me to stop bitching about the past makes you very very suspicious in TC eyes,I am afraid...

Behold the king of compassion and understanding. His understanding of the gc side is so extensive that he cannot understand that the treaty of gaurantee to a gc looks like a Turkish soldier taking the gcs house while raping his wife and daughter.

I repeat when your leader proposes taksim proposals during the RE UNIFICATION talks such as the rights of the states to split then I am not yet ready to trust your community. It reaks of groundhog day.

So much for your sensitivities oh ghandi.

[boulio]

DT as a cypriot what would be your least acceptable position on security and guarantees?

[DT.]

DT as a cypriot what would be your least acceptable position on security and guarantees?

The 1960 treaty of gaurantees would be unacceptable. I would take a leap of faith with a temporary NATO force that includes Turk and Greek troops though.

[boulio]

what about a eu/nato with g/c t/c cypriot,greek and turkish participation on a permanent basis?

[humanist]

Mr Ed

Thanks for reinstating my point.

I am well aware of the realities of today, but harping on about the past is not going to get us anywhere.

I was just trying to point out to Bir that the past, whilst important from a historical point of view, serves absolutley no purpose when trying to solve the Cyprus problem and is counter productive. He is wasting his breath.

What I have worked out is that a GC and TC can argue forever about the events of the past and neither side will ever win the argument. This is because we are both right and we are both wrong.

It's why I don't really waste my time talking about 1983, 1974, 1963, 1960, 1923, 1878 ... 1571.

The only way to solve our differences is to examine the realities of today and look forward, because one of the major realities of here and now is that the issues that the TCs face today have more to do with Turkish policy than for any other reason (IMHO).

I so totally agree with Mr Ed

[humanist]

Behold the king of compassion and understanding. His understanding of the gc side is so extensive that he cannot understand that the treaty of gaurantee to a gc looks like a Turkish soldier taking the gcs house while raping his wife and daughter.

I repeat when your leader proposes taksim proposals during the RE UNIFICATION talks such as the rights of the states to split then I am not yet ready to trust your community. It reaks of groundhog day.

I so totally agree.

The good thing is now that gas has been found and the greed of the British and the US has driven them to make such statements as "No Partition of Cyprus will be supported" & There are no links between natural resource exploration and Reunification".

The big guns have spoken in their true colours

[Viewpoint]

So now you think you have the upper hand and get what you demand at our expense?

[DTA]

I was just trying to point out to Bir that the past, whilst important from a historical point of view, serves absolutley no purpose when trying to solve the Cyprus problem and is counter productive. He is wasting his breath.

So in your feeble mind,the key to solving Cyprus problem is to refuse to look at the past,refuse to analyse why things happened the way they did,and how we could avoid falling into the same traps,is that it???

So you want the world to tell Turkey to leave Cyprus,as we now do not need her help as a guarantor to keep the peace between Cypriots WITHOUT talking about how and why Turkey ended in Cyprus,and showing her you are not likely to repeat the mistakes of the past WITHOUT talking about those mistakes or even acknowledging them...Are you for real???? I am indeed wasting my breath...You people are blockheads,without anything between your ears! good luck satisfying Turkey you are now reasonable people without admitting any guilt or acknowledging any misakes in dealing with the TCs in the past...Why don't you try the line 'we don't think therefore you dont exist!' or 'we refuse to look b ack,so the past does not exist!' or 'I deny therefore you are not!"

No Bir, your insistence on looking at the past is marring your perception of what kind of a place the Republic of Cyprus is today - a place and a people that are in the European Union and a place where TCs can prosper with or without the priviledges you demand.

Really? what about the GCs who have murdered TCs and have not been brought to justice? what about the destroying of mosques graveyards, what of the rise of the far right in the ROC, what of the iligal treatment of Tcs with properties in the south even if the left prior to 74?

" and a place where TCs can prosper" bullshit.. and if you cant see that then.... dude you need glasses. We had the PAP bitch trick the EU, we see all this and a lot more. We dont need to look in to the past we can just look at the ROC today and know that we would much prefer the TRNC

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

I was just trying to point out to Bir that the past, whilst important from a historical point of view, serves absolutley no purpose when trying to solve the Cyprus problem and is counter productive. He is wasting his breath.

So in your feeble mind,the key to solving Cyprus problem is to refuse to look at the past,refuse to analyse why things happened the way they did,and how we could avoid falling into the same traps,is that it???

So you want the world to tell Turkey to leave Cyprus,as we now do not need her help as a guarantor to keep the peace between Cypriots WITHOUT talking about how and why Turkey ended in Cyprus,and showing her you are not likely to repeat the mistakes of the past WITHOUT talking about those mistakes or even acknowledging them...Are you for real???? I am indeed wasting my breath...You people are blockheads,without anything between your ears! good luck satisfying Turkey you are now reasonable people without admitting any guilt or acknowledging any misakes in dealing with the TCs in the past...Why don't you try the line 'we don't think therefore you dont exist!' or 'we refuse to look b ack,so the past does not exist!' or 'I deny therefore you are not!"

No Bir, your insistence on looking at the past is marring your perception of what kind of a place the Republic of Cyprus is today - a place and a people that are in the European Union and a place where TCs can prosper with or without the priviledges you demand.

I see...Your whole strategy for a solution is ...Look at us now!!!!!!Switch off your collective consciousness as a community...look at us now.....We are really nice people....We mean well nowwww!!!! Trust us!!! You will not be sorry!!! You are truly bonkers,my friend...I AM wasting my breath!

ps Before I go,I will tell you what kind of place the Republic of Cyprus is today...A place where on hearing that the gates are open,and fearing that the TCs might return to their villages,those who were taking advantage of the absence of the TC owners in my village in Paphos,would come with buldozers and tear down every house and every building they were not using themselves...Don't take my word for it,Go to Istinjo and ask the local GCs!!! Now get out of my sight...

Bir, why havent you ever complained about what the peace loving TC community did to the Armenian quarter of Nicosia ??? I presume thats ok though. I am sure the TC community didnt ransack it and even left the Genocide monument alone. Dont you worry though Bir the GC community went out of there way to make sure we would be taken care of and that such actions against us by your community will never occur again.

[DTA]

I was just trying to point out to Bir that the past, whilst important from a historical point of view, serves absolutley no purpose when trying to solve the Cyprus problem and is counter productive. He is wasting his breath.

So in your feeble mind,the key to solving Cyprus problem is to refuse to look at the past,refuse to analyse why things happened the way they did,and how we could avoid falling into the same traps,is that it???

So you want the world to tell Turkey to leave Cyprus,as we now do not need her help as a guarantor to keep the peace between Cypriots WITHOUT talking about how and why Turkey ended in Cyprus,and showing her you are not likely to repeat the mistakes of the past WITHOUT talking about those mistakes or even acknowledging them...Are you for real???? I am indeed wasting my breath...You people are blockheads,without anything between your ears! good luck satisfying Turkey you are now reasonable people without admitting any guilt or acknowledging any misakes in dealing with the TCs in the past...Why don't you try the line 'we don't think therefore you dont exist!' or 'we refuse to look b ack,so the past does not exist!' or 'I deny therefore you are not!"

No Bir, your insistence on looking at the past is marring your perception of what kind of a place the Republic of Cyprus is today - a place and a people that are in the European Union and a place where TCs can prosper with or without the priviledges you demand.

I see...Your whole strategy for a solution is ...Look at us now!!!!!!Switch off your collective consciousness as a community...look at us now.....We are really nice people....We mean well nowwww!!!! Trust us!!! You will not be sorry!!! You are truly bonkers,my friend...I AM wasting my breath!

ps Before I go,I will tell you what kind of place the Republic of Cyprus is today...A place where on hearing that the gates are open,and fearing that the TCs might return to their villages,those who were taking advantage of the absence of the TC owners in my village in Paphos,would come with buldozers and tear down every house and every building they were not using themselves...Don't take my word for it,Go to Istinjo and ask the local GCs!!! Now get out of my sight...

Bir, why havent you ever complained about what the peace loving TC community did to the Armenian quarter of Nicosia ??? I presume thats ok though. I am sure the TC community didnt ransack it and even left the Genocide monument alone. Dont you worry though Bir the GC community went out of there way to make sure we would be taken care of and that such actions against us by your community will never occur again.

there is no excuse for what the Tcs did to the Armenians in lefcosa (i have heard first hand from a TC that I trust, that this happened) all I can say is that I am sorry. I know this is not that it is enough but I understand your perspective.