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[denizaksulu]

Me Ed

If we do not wish to repeat the same mistakes made in the past, then we need to study the events that led to bloodshed. Enuf sed.

[Me Ed]

Me Ed

If we do not wish to repeat the same mistakes made in the past, then we need to study the events that led to bloodshed. Enuf sed.

I don't dispute that but you need to get things into the correct context.

To actually compare the RoC of 2011 with the RoC of 1960 or 1963 is a complete and utter anachronism.

[denizaksulu]

Me Ed

If we do not wish to repeat the same mistakes made in the past, then we need to study the events that led to bloodshed. Enuf sed.

I don't dispute that but you need to get things into the correct context.

To actually compare the RoC of 2011 with the RoC of 1960 or 1963 is a complete and utter anachronism.

I know the dıfference. What will be needed is a strong central authorıty which can be fair at the same time. Do you get my drift? This was lacking in the Republic of 1960-63. Why have private armies in a tiny island like Cyprus, with a mind of their own?

[BirKibrisli]

I was just trying to point out to Bir that the past, whilst important from a historical point of view, serves absolutley no purpose when trying to solve the Cyprus problem and is counter productive. He is wasting his breath.

So in your feeble mind,the key to solving Cyprus problem is to refuse to look at the past,refuse to analyse why things happened the way they did,and how we could avoid falling into the same traps,is that it???

So you want the world to tell Turkey to leave Cyprus,as we now do not need her help as a guarantor to keep the peace between Cypriots WITHOUT talking about how and why Turkey ended in Cyprus,and showing her you are not likely to repeat the mistakes of the past WITHOUT talking about those mistakes or even acknowledging them...Are you for real???? I am indeed wasting my breath...You people are blockheads,without anything between your ears! good luck satisfying Turkey you are now reasonable people without admitting any guilt or acknowledging any misakes in dealing with the TCs in the past...Why don't you try the line 'we don't think therefore you dont exist!' or 'we refuse to look b ack,so the past does not exist!' or 'I deny therefore you are not!"

No Bir, your insistence on looking at the past is marring your perception of what kind of a place the Republic of Cyprus is today - a place and a people that are in the European Union and a place where TCs can prosper with or without the priviledges you demand.

I see...Your whole strategy for a solution is ...Look at us now!!!!!!Switch off your collective consciousness as a community...look at us now.....We are really nice people....We mean well nowwww!!!! Trust us!!! You will not be sorry!!! You are truly bonkers,my friend...I AM wasting my breath!

ps Before I go,I will tell you what kind of place the Republic of Cyprus is today...A place where on hearing that the gates are open,and fearing that the TCs might return to their villages,those who were taking advantage of the absence of the TC owners in my village in Paphos,would come with buldozers and tear down every house and every building they were not using themselves...Don't take my word for it,Go to Istinjo and ask the local GCs!!! Now get out of my sight...

[boulio]

DT. wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Me Ed wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
ZoC wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:

So you insist on being in denial,huh,mala?????
Then you tell us how we will get out of this shit...If we don't agree why we are in the shit,how will we ever find the way out...???


who the f*ck's mala??? free cypriots aren't in shit. only those living in the latrine turkey's created for u in the north are. how u get out? i don't think u ever will. just drop the 'k' in turk to a 'd' and get comfortable.

BirKibrisli wrote:

ps..What we are entitled to is what we were given in the international agreements which formed the basis of the True RoC...You wanted to rob us most of those rights and had your Enosis drunk ancestors not made the fundamental fuk-up and invited Turkey to come in,you might've gotten away with daylight robbery...You fuked up then and you are fuking up now by trying to deny history...You will never learn...Hence there will never be an agreed solution apart from the status quo...The status quo however will not remain static...It will change in ways you will not like,and you will be helpless to do anything about it...So,keep it up,and you will kiss goodbye to 37% of Cyprus forever...The TCs have already lost 100% of Cyprus,so we dont give a fuk any more...


bitching about the past and threatening about the future. someone pull the chain... this steaming turd needs flushing away...


You know who you are, Malafuka!!!!

Keep on denying history and keeping your head in the sand,and your arse will be Turkey's forever...But,you might be enjoying it...

Bir, an observation. You live in the past so much it obviously blinds you of the realities of today.

You might even be the last ever TC standing, barking about the past.



yeah???? Cyprus is divided since 74...Turkey has 40,000 troops and nearing 500,000 settlers (aka new TCs) in the trnc...There is no solution in sight,and the status quo is likely to be set in stone,making sure there is no peace in my homeland for the next thousand years...

You idiots refuse to look at the past events and try to understand why we are in the present predicament...Let alone trying to find a realistic settlement...And you call me blind?????


difficult compromises that have landed the Cypriot Presidemt in hot water with his electorate. That's what the Gc side has done in the negotiations. Rotating presidencies, 50,000 settlers remaining, and many more, what has the tc side come up with? Oh yeah the other day eroglu asked if he could sign international agreements as a tc state and that should one of the states leave the union this wont affect the status of the other.

Ate, go find the reasons you're homeland will not have peace in Ankara and quit your bitching and moaning at us.


I am bitching and moaning to you because unless you come to your senses soon there will be no point even talking to each other...You are playing into Turkey's hands and you afe too thick to realise it...The only way you can get Turkey to remove herself from Cyprus is IF you come to a realistic solution,and agree to share power with the TCs proportionally,as in the agreed Consititution and the international treaties etc...That is your only hope...I am simply showing you what you need to do...To save Cyprus from being permanently divided...If you refuse to look back and hang your heads in shame at the way you treated the TCs,and show that you are prepared to be better partners next time,Cyprus will be swollowed up by the new geopolitical realities which are fast developing in our region..It is no skin off my nose,DT..I have my safe haven in Australia...My children and their children will not be living with the present and imminent danger of war and destruction for the rest of their lives...Can you say the same about yours???

Oh Bir What Christofias has offered is better than what you are recommending concering governance ,the t/c will have more power in what offeres that Christofias has made than any 1960 constitition and the t/c still reject it ,and make ridiculous request that dont even fall within the parameters of a federation.

[DT.]

So you insist on being in denial,huh,mala?????
Then you tell us how we will get out of this shit...If we don't agree why we are in the shit,how will we ever find the way out...???

who the f*ck's mala??? free cypriots aren't in shit. only those living in the latrine turkey's created for u in the north are. how u get out? i don't think u ever will. just drop the 'k' in turk to a 'd' and get comfortable.

ps..What we are entitled to is what we were given in the international agreements which formed the basis of the True RoC...You wanted to rob us most of those rights and had your Enosis drunk ancestors not made the fundamental fuk-up and invited Turkey to come in,you might've gotten away with daylight robbery...You fuked up then and you are fuking up now by trying to deny history...You will never learn...Hence there will never be an agreed solution apart from the status quo...The status quo however will not remain static...It will change in ways you will not like,and you will be helpless to do anything about it...So,keep it up,and you will kiss goodbye to 37% of Cyprus forever...The TCs have already lost 100% of Cyprus,so we dont give a fuk any more...

bitching about the past and threatening about the future. someone pull the chain... this steaming turd needs flushing away...

You know who you are, Malafuka!!!!

Keep on denying history and keeping your head in the sand,and your arse will be Turkey's forever...But,you might be enjoying it...

Bir, an observation. You live in the past so much it obviously blinds you of the realities of today.

You might even be the last ever TC standing, barking about the past.

yeah???? Cyprus is divided since 74...Turkey has 40,000 troops and nearing 500,000 settlers (aka new TCs) in the trnc...There is no solution in sight,and the status quo is likely to be set in stone,making sure there is no peace in my homeland for the next thousand years...

You idiots refuse to look at the past events and try to understand why we are in the present predicament...Let alone trying to find a realistic settlement...And you call me blind?????

difficult compromises that have landed the Cypriot Presidemt in hot water with his electorate. That's what the Gc side has done in the negotiations. Rotating presidencies, 50,000 settlers remaining, and many more, what has the tc side come up with? Oh yeah the other day eroglu asked if he could sign international agreements as a tc state and that should one of the states leave the union this wont affect the status of the other.

Ate, go find the reasons you're homeland will not have peace in Ankara and quit your bitching and moaning at us.

I am bitching and moaning to you because unless you come to your senses soon there will be no point even talking to each other...You are playing into Turkey's hands and you afe too thick to realise it...The only way you can get Turkey to remove herself from Cyprus is IF you come to a realistic solution,and agree to share power with the TCs proportionally,as in the agreed Consititution and the international treaties etc...That is your only hope...I am simply showing you what you need to do...To save Cyprus from being permanently divided...If you refuse to look back and hang your heads in shame at the way you treated the TCs,and show that you are prepared to be better partners next time,Cyprus will be swollowed up by the new geopolitical realities which are fast developing in our region..It is no skin off my nose,DT..I have my safe haven in Australia...My children and their children will not be living with the present and imminent danger of war and destruction for the rest of their lives...Can you say the same about yours???

Bir, you gotta be kidding me! You're going on about 1960s constitutions and proportional power sharing when the solution Christofias has offered is 99 steps away from that and 1 step away from a confederacy with autonomy in the north! (btw don't let vp catch you saying you want proportional power and 1960s constitutions cause that'll be the end of your new found friendship with partitionist numero UNO )

I'm not Ready to trust your community again but for the sake of the future I'll take a leap of faith. What's your excuse with everything offered from this side so far?

[Me Ed]

I was just trying to point out to Bir that the past, whilst important from a historical point of view, serves absolutley no purpose when trying to solve the Cyprus problem and is counter productive. He is wasting his breath.

So in your feeble mind,the key to solving Cyprus problem is to refuse to look at the past,refuse to analyse why things happened the way they did,and how we could avoid falling into the same traps,is that it???

So you want the world to tell Turkey to leave Cyprus,as we now do not need her help as a guarantor to keep the peace between Cypriots WITHOUT talking about how and why Turkey ended in Cyprus,and showing her you are not likely to repeat the mistakes of the past WITHOUT talking about those mistakes or even acknowledging them...Are you for real???? I am indeed wasting my breath...You people are blockheads,without anything between your ears! good luck satisfying Turkey you are now reasonable people without admitting any guilt or acknowledging any misakes in dealing with the TCs in the past...Why don't you try the line 'we don't think therefore you dont exist!' or 'we refuse to look b ack,so the past does not exist!' or 'I deny therefore you are not!"

No Bir, your insistence on looking at the past is marring your perception of what kind of a place the Republic of Cyprus is today - a place and a people that are in the European Union and a place where TCs can prosper with or without the priviledges you demand.

I see...Your whole strategy for a solution is ...Look at us now!!!!!!Switch off your collective consciousness as a community...look at us now.....We are really nice people....We mean well nowwww!!!! Trust us!!! You will not be sorry!!! You are truly bonkers,my friend...I AM wasting my breath!

ps Before I go,I will tell you what kind of place the Republic of Cyprus is today...A place where on hearing that the gates are open,and fearing that the TCs might return to their villages,those who were taking advantage of the absence of the TC owners in my village in Paphos,would come with buldozers and tear down every house and every building they were not using themselves...Don't take my word for it,Go to Istinjo and ask the local GCs!!! Now get out of my sight...

There is nothing wrong with my strategy, it's your strategy that is seriously flawed because you continue to compare the RoC of today with the RoC of 50 years ago and spread false Turkish propaganda.

This is because today:

1) The RoC is a fully functioning democratic state with EU membership.

2) Greece is not run by the Junta anymore and despite is economic problems it is a fully functioning state and EU member.

3) The ENOSIS agenda is over. This is an absolute fact, deal with it - move on.


You, like other TCs really need to examine the following:

1) The role Turkish policy post 1974 contributed to the predicament facing all Cypriots today.

2) Is the RoC in its current form the kind of place that a sizable TC community can thrive and prosper as equal EU citizens.


As for you statement about TC owned property in your village, there is a clear legal recourse for the owners to take in the RoC, assuming that they didn't fall for the Turkish con and hand their deeds to the "trnc" authorities.

[BirKibrisli]

So you insist on being in denial,huh,mala?????
Then you tell us how we will get out of this shit...If we don't agree why we are in the shit,how will we ever find the way out...???

who the f*ck's mala??? free cypriots aren't in shit. only those living in the latrine turkey's created for u in the north are. how u get out? i don't think u ever will. just drop the 'k' in turk to a 'd' and get comfortable.

ps..What we are entitled to is what we were given in the international agreements which formed the basis of the True RoC...You wanted to rob us most of those rights and had your Enosis drunk ancestors not made the fundamental fuk-up and invited Turkey to come in,you might've gotten away with daylight robbery...You fuked up then and you are fuking up now by trying to deny history...You will never learn...Hence there will never be an agreed solution apart from the status quo...The status quo however will not remain static...It will change in ways you will not like,and you will be helpless to do anything about it...So,keep it up,and you will kiss goodbye to 37% of Cyprus forever...The TCs have already lost 100% of Cyprus,so we dont give a fuk any more...

bitching about the past and threatening about the future. someone pull the chain... this steaming turd needs flushing away...

You know who you are, Malafuka!!!!

Keep on denying history and keeping your head in the sand,and your arse will be Turkey's forever...But,you might be enjoying it...

Bir, an observation. You live in the past so much it obviously blinds you of the realities of today.

You might even be the last ever TC standing, barking about the past.

yeah???? Cyprus is divided since 74...Turkey has 40,000 troops and nearing 500,000 settlers (aka new TCs) in the trnc...There is no solution in sight,and the status quo is likely to be set in stone,making sure there is no peace in my homeland for the next thousand years...

You idiots refuse to look at the past events and try to understand why we are in the present predicament...Let alone trying to find a realistic settlement...And you call me blind?????

difficult compromises that have landed the Cypriot Presidemt in hot water with his electorate. That's what the Gc side has done in the negotiations. Rotating presidencies, 50,000 settlers remaining, and many more, what has the tc side come up with? Oh yeah the other day eroglu asked if he could sign international agreements as a tc state and that should one of the states leave the union this wont affect the status of the other.

Ate, go find the reasons you're homeland will not have peace in Ankara and quit your bitching and moaning at us.

I am bitching and moaning to you because unless you come to your senses soon there will be no point even talking to each other...You are playing into Turkey's hands and you afe too thick to realise it...The only way you can get Turkey to remove herself from Cyprus is IF you come to a realistic solution,and agree to share power with the TCs proportionally,as in the agreed Consititution and the international treaties etc...That is your only hope...I am simply showing you what you need to do...To save Cyprus from being permanently divided...If you refuse to look back and hang your heads in shame at the way you treated the TCs,and show that you are prepared to be better partners next time,Cyprus will be swollowed up by the new geopolitical realities which are fast developing in our region..It is no skin off my nose,DT..I have my safe haven in Australia...My children and their children will not be living with the present and imminent danger of war and destruction for the rest of their lives...Can you say the same about yours???

Bir, you gotta be kidding me! You're going on about 1960s constitutions and proportional power sharing when the solution Christofias has offered is 99 steps away from that and 1 step away from a confederacy with autonomy in the north! (btw don't let vp catch you saying you want proportional power and 1960s constitutions cause that'll be the end of your new found friendship with partitionist numero UNO )

I'm not Ready to trust your community again but for the sake of the future I'll take a leap of faith. What's your excuse with everything offered from this side so far?

You are not ready to trust my community???
But you think they should trust yours???? You are a funny man,DT...
TCs have some red lines,based on their experiences with your community going back to the 50s....One of these lines is Turkey's guarantee...Is Christofias ready to agree to that???If not he is pissing in the wind...Are you ready to agree to that??? If not you are keeping your head in the sand...When you are ready to see the problem through TC eyes,like I am telling you,you might come up with realistic proposals...After all,the TCs will have to give up de facto Taksim to get into bed with you again...But only if you show signs of regretting you actions of the past...But before that you will need to acknowledge that your community fuked up big time...You are nowhere near that now..Telling me to stop bitching about the past makes you very very suspicious in TC eyes,I am afraid...

[BirKibrisli]

I was just trying to point out to Bir that the past, whilst important from a historical point of view, serves absolutley no purpose when trying to solve the Cyprus problem and is counter productive. He is wasting his breath.

So in your feeble mind,the key to solving Cyprus problem is to refuse to look at the past,refuse to analyse why things happened the way they did,and how we could avoid falling into the same traps,is that it???

So you want the world to tell Turkey to leave Cyprus,as we now do not need her help as a guarantor to keep the peace between Cypriots WITHOUT talking about how and why Turkey ended in Cyprus,and showing her you are not likely to repeat the mistakes of the past WITHOUT talking about those mistakes or even acknowledging them...Are you for real???? I am indeed wasting my breath...You people are blockheads,without anything between your ears! good luck satisfying Turkey you are now reasonable people without admitting any guilt or acknowledging any misakes in dealing with the TCs in the past...Why don't you try the line 'we don't think therefore you dont exist!' or 'we refuse to look b ack,so the past does not exist!' or 'I deny therefore you are not!"

No Bir, your insistence on looking at the past is marring your perception of what kind of a place the Republic of Cyprus is today - a place and a people that are in the European Union and a place where TCs can prosper with or without the priviledges you demand.

I see...Your whole strategy for a solution is ...Look at us now!!!!!!Switch off your collective consciousness as a community...look at us now.....We are really nice people....We mean well nowwww!!!! Trust us!!! You will not be sorry!!! You are truly bonkers,my friend...I AM wasting my breath!

ps Before I go,I will tell you what kind of place the Republic of Cyprus is today...A place where on hearing that the gates are open,and fearing that the TCs might return to their villages,those who were taking advantage of the absence of the TC owners in my village in Paphos,would come with buldozers and tear down every house and every building they were not using themselves...Don't take my word for it,Go to Istinjo and ask the local GCs!!! Now get out of my sight...

There is nothing wrong with my strategy, it's your strategy that is seriously flawed because you continue to compare the RoC of today with the RoC of 50 years ago and spread false Turkish propaganda.

This is because today:

1) The RoC is a fully functioning democratic state with EU membership.

2) Greece is not run by the Junta anymore and despite is economic problems it is a fully functioning state and EU member.

3) The ENOSIS agenda is over. This is an absolute fact, deal with it - move on.


You, like other TCs really need to examine the following:

1) The role Turkish policy post 1974 contributed to the predicament facing all Cypriots today.

2) Is the RoC in its current form the kind of place that a sizable TC community can thrive and prosper as equal EU citizens.


As for you statement about TC owned property in your village, there is a clear legal recourse for the owners to take in the RoC, assuming that they didn't fall for the Turkish con and hand their deeds to the "trnc" authorities.

You live in a dream world ,my friend...Those GCs who came with bulldozers in 2006 to tear down the TC houses in case they return to reclaim them had no idea if the deeds were handed in to the trnc authorities or not....They just took direct action to make sure the TCs found nothing to return to...This shows that little has changed from the 50 and 60s far as the hatred and bitterness towards the TCs go...And if you believe that any official complaint will result in Justice for the TCs,YOU are the one who has fallen for GC state propaganda...

Telling someone with Post Traumatic Stress disorder as a result of being brutalised,bullied and humiliated to come and embrace the bully because a lot of time has past since the offence,and the artificial circumstances have changed will NOT do it...The victim wants to know: does the bully acknowledge his brutal acts??? Is he showing remorse??? Is he prepared to be put on probation in case he resorts to his old tricks??? If not then the victim would be bonkers to return to the same scenery without any safeguards...The TCs are not bonkers...Unfortunately for you...

[Me Ed]

I was just trying to point out to Bir that the past, whilst important from a historical point of view, serves absolutley no purpose when trying to solve the Cyprus problem and is counter productive. He is wasting his breath.

So in your feeble mind,the key to solving Cyprus problem is to refuse to look at the past,refuse to analyse why things happened the way they did,and how we could avoid falling into the same traps,is that it???

So you want the world to tell Turkey to leave Cyprus,as we now do not need her help as a guarantor to keep the peace between Cypriots WITHOUT talking about how and why Turkey ended in Cyprus,and showing her you are not likely to repeat the mistakes of the past WITHOUT talking about those mistakes or even acknowledging them...Are you for real???? I am indeed wasting my breath...You people are blockheads,without anything between your ears! good luck satisfying Turkey you are now reasonable people without admitting any guilt or acknowledging any misakes in dealing with the TCs in the past...Why don't you try the line 'we don't think therefore you dont exist!' or 'we refuse to look b ack,so the past does not exist!' or 'I deny therefore you are not!"

No Bir, your insistence on looking at the past is marring your perception of what kind of a place the Republic of Cyprus is today - a place and a people that are in the European Union and a place where TCs can prosper with or without the priviledges you demand.

I see...Your whole strategy for a solution is ...Look at us now!!!!!!Switch off your collective consciousness as a community...look at us now.....We are really nice people....We mean well nowwww!!!! Trust us!!! You will not be sorry!!! You are truly bonkers,my friend...I AM wasting my breath!

ps Before I go,I will tell you what kind of place the Republic of Cyprus is today...A place where on hearing that the gates are open,and fearing that the TCs might return to their villages,those who were taking advantage of the absence of the TC owners in my village in Paphos,would come with buldozers and tear down every house and every building they were not using themselves...Don't take my word for it,Go to Istinjo and ask the local GCs!!! Now get out of my sight...

There is nothing wrong with my strategy, it's your strategy that is seriously flawed because you continue to compare the RoC of today with the RoC of 50 years ago and spread false Turkish propaganda.

This is because today:

1) The RoC is a fully functioning democratic state with EU membership.

2) Greece is not run by the Junta anymore and despite is economic problems it is a fully functioning state and EU member.

3) The ENOSIS agenda is over. This is an absolute fact, deal with it - move on.


You, like other TCs really need to examine the following:

1) The role Turkish policy post 1974 contributed to the predicament facing all Cypriots today.

2) Is the RoC in its current form the kind of place that a sizable TC community can thrive and prosper as equal EU citizens.


As for you statement about TC owned property in your village, there is a clear legal recourse for the owners to take in the RoC, assuming that they didn't fall for the Turkish con and hand their deeds to the "trnc" authorities.

You live in a dream world ,my friend...Those GCs who came with bulldozers in 2006 to tear down the TC houses in case they return to reclaim them had no idea if the deeds were handed in to the trnc authorities or not....They just took direct action to make sure the TCs found nothing to return to...This shows that little has changed from the 50 and 60s far as the hatred and bitterness towards the TCs go...And if you believe that any official complaint will result in Justice for the TCs,YOU are the one who has fallen for GC state propaganda...

Telling someone with Post Traumatic Stress disorder as a result of being brutalised,bullied and humiliated to come and embrace the bully because a lot of time has past since the offence,and the artificial circumstances have changed will NOT do it...The victim wants to know: does the bully acknowledge his brutal acts??? Is he showing remorse??? Is he prepared to be put on probation in case he resorts to his old tricks??? If not then the victim would be bonkers to return to the same scenery without any safeguards...The TCs are not bonkers...Unfortunately for you...

Again, you simply refuse acknowledge the realities of today.

As a member of EU, the TCs that have been victim of this crime have the full weight of the ECJ behind them.

Now assuming they did not follow the Turkish policy of handing their deeds to the "trnc" and were intelligent enough to retain them they can reclaim what is rightfully theirs and probably get compensation.

I don't know when you was back home, but since the opening of crossing points (by the RoC may I add), many thousands of GCs cross north and many thousands of TCs cross south to, amongst other things work, get medical assistance, apply for passports, shop, have a McDonalds and a coffee on a daily basis.