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Maps sent out from Athens?

Postby Gasman » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:47 am

I am reading a Hansard Report of a Cyprus Debate from 1956. It is a very long document. Have got this far ...

The facts of geography cannot be altered even by the maps sent out from Athens for use in Cyprus schools. From these maps the conclusion might well be drawn that Cyprus lies alongside the southern coast of Greece and well to the west of Crete. In fact, as your Lordships are well aware, it is no further from the southern coast of Turkey than is the Isle of Man from the coast of Lancashire. It is, in fact, an offshore island covering the southern ports of Anatolia and, therefore, for strategic reasons—I know that the noble Earl will not agree with this—the Turks are opposed to any radical change in the present status of the island. It does not really matter whether Turkey is strategically right or strategically wrong: that happens to be what the Turks feel. That is the Turkish position. Your Lordships may agree with the Turkish attitude or disagree with it. But, either way, it is one of the hard facts in this whole affair which cannot be ignored. It has been alleged by the Greeks that we have inspired Turkish opposition to self-determination for notions of our own. I need hardly say that there is not a word of truth in this allegation. The fact is that the methods adopted by the Greeks in the last two years to press their aims have done nothing to make the Turks more forthcoming, or, indeed, to still the fears which the whole situation inspires in their minds and hearts.

So there we are. We have to face these conflicting views, and the vital point of difference is the demand for self-determination which has been made by 214 Archbishop Makarios and those in Cyprus who support him, and which has been backed by the Greek Government. I use the words "Archbishop Makarios and those who support him" advisedly, because it seems to me to have become a tacit assumption that the Archbishop enjoys the support of the Greek Cypriot population in Cyprus as a whole. In fact, no one can measure with any certainty the extent of the support which the Archbishop and the Ethnarchy enjoy. Nor shall we have any means of knowing, so long as those who wish openly to express opposition to Enosis are too frightened to do so because they fear that, if they do, not only they but also their relations will be excommunicated and in all probability brutally murdered.

Indeed, at the present time the only glimpse of the true feelings of the Greek Cypriots may possibly be found by looking at the behaviour of emigrants from Cyprus. If all that the Archbishop and his supporters have claimed is true, one would have expected that the one place to which any Greek Cypriot would wish to emigrate would be Greece and that the one place which they would wish to avoid would be this country, which, according to Athens Radio, is the centre of a bloodstained tyranny. Is it not remarkable, then, that, between January of last year and April of this year, between 5,000 and 6,000 Greek Cypriots emigrated to the United Kingdom, whilst over the last five years the emigration figures to Greece were possibly five in 1952, possibly five in 1953 and 1954, none in 1955 and one so far this year? I do not pretend that these figures prove anything, but I do say that they are very interesting.


They sent out dodgy maps? No wonder so many think Cyprus is a Greek Island.

I agree with what is said in the last paragraph. And have said so several times on here.
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Postby AEKTZIS » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:36 am

you think people regard Cyprus as a Hellenic island because of false geographical perception??? really???

weak point.
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:04 am

Cyprus is a Greek island with a Turkish cypriot minority whose constitutional and human rights need to be respected.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:13 am

Why make a comparison with the Isle of Man, and not with the Falkland Islands?

Nothing unusual about the map of Greece.

Map of Spain:

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Map of the USA:

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I am sure people with the IQ of Gasman will look at that map and believe that Alaska is actually an island off the coast of Mexico :lol:

Regarding immigration, people immigrate to places where they can find better conditions. The UK, after robbing half of the world for many decades, became a rich country which attracts many immigrants. Nothing unusual here either.
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Postby Nikitas » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:01 am

You need a map to see a Greek Orthodox church in every corner of the island? Or Hellenic and Byzantine ruins and Greek village names of villages founded centuries before the word Turk was ever used in the West?

Are you so thick that you ned to resort to a political debate of the 50s when the evidence is everywhere around you?

Why do you think the Turks are busy changing village and place names up north? Ask yourself what they are trying to deny.

Read your very own Lawrence Durrell "Cyprus is the most Greek of the Greek islands". No amount of external force and artifice can change the undeniable. And no, I am not in favor of union with Greece, never was.
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Postby Gasman » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:44 am

Think you've missed my point. Does anyone have one of these FALSE MAPS sent out to Cyprus from Athens for me to take a look at?

I am aware where most countries in the world are on the map in relation to other countries. Probably because I didn't go to school in Cyprus. Nor was I indoctrinated by Greek Cypriot parents and scary black clad archbishops!

>>obligatory O type smilie at the end here :lol:
(just in case I want to respond again and say I was 'joking', hence the smiley so anyone who took offence - doesn't have a sense of humour)

No comment on this then?

Indeed, at the present time the only glimpse of the true feelings of the Greek Cypriots may possibly be found by looking at the behaviour of emigrants from Cyprus. If all that the Archbishop and his supporters have claimed is true, one would have expected that the one place to which any Greek Cypriot would wish to emigrate would be Greece and that the one place which they would wish to avoid would be this country, which, according to Athens Radio, is the centre of a bloodstained tyranny. Is it not remarkable, then, that, between January of last year and April of this year, between 5,000 and 6,000 Greek Cypriots emigrated to the United Kingdom, whilst over the last five years the emigration figures to Greece were possibly five in 1952, possibly five in 1953 and 1954, none in 1955 and one so far this year?
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Postby Piratis » Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:22 pm

So Gasman are you joking or you want us to take you seriously? Please clarify.

If you are not joking, do you consider as "false maps" practically all political maps of the USA which show Alaska and Hawaii in a location which is 4000 kilometers away from where they are actually?

And I already answered you about immigration. Furthermore the person who made the above comment is obviously clueless. Thousands of Cypriots went to live in Athens.
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Postby lovernomore » Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:47 pm

Nikitas wrote:You need a map to see a Greek Orthodox church in every corner of the island? Or Hellenic and Byzantine ruins and Greek village names of villages founded centuries before the word Turk was ever used in the West?

Are you so thick that you ned to resort to a political debate of the 50s when the evidence is everywhere around you?

Why do you think the Turks are busy changing village and place names up north? Ask yourself what they are trying to deny.

Read your very own Lawrence Durrell "Cyprus is the most Greek of the Greek islands". No amount of external force and artifice can change the undeniable. And no, I am not in favor of union with Greece, never was.


Of course he would have said that. The whole island was painted blue and white with that fucking shitty Greek flag. I wonder what he'd think now about the North of island?
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Postby Klik » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:25 pm

Of course he said that because the terms "Greek Cypriot" and "Turkish Cypriot" were not going around like crazy at time. It was something fresh, coming from 1931 and has only recently become a 'popular' thing to say...

Cypriots are the Greekest of Greeks, Cyprus is the Greekest of Greek islands. True story. There's a reason why 120.000 Ottoman settlers didn't manage to wipe out the population...
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Postby Oracle » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:46 pm

I have my eldest brother's "ΓΕΩΓΡΑΦΙΑ" book published by the organisation for school texts, in Athens, 1962. Presumably this would have been written some years before, which would be the closest to the time the British propagandists are accusing us of distortions.

Cyprus is shown exactly where more modern maps indicate, and if I thought this partitionist troll was worth taking seriously I would scan them and post. It seems to think we learn everything from googlefarts and are unaware of the realities which we and our kin actually live, but must be told by doctored second-hands.


(Perhaps these "Brits" have never forgiven Greeks for being the first to Map and name "Britannia", nearly 2,500 years ago, but not being as 'accurate' as today's Satellite and Google-Maps.)
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