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[Bananiot]

Go to bed oracle!

[Bananiot]

Simon, are you aware of any important tactical mistakes the snobbish Italian generals made that cost them dearly?

[ZoC]

ZoC, Sabaton are a Finnish band....and the guy who made the video is a Serb....so your sarcasm is wasted on us.

"us"? who else apart from little old u knew this bit of serbo-finnish trivia?

we are not slavs re, wake up ANTHELLINES

i'm not a slav, sure. but then, i don't claim to be a modern greek.

I believe a lot of people knew this piece of trivia....Sabaton are an internationally-renowned metal band, they make songs about historical battles...

my mistake. u'll forgive me for not having my finger on the pulse of the finnish heavy-metal-historic-battle music scene; nor the associated, equally renowned serb-youtube-video-making scene...

[Simon]

Bananiot wrote:

You are making a cardinal mistake if, as it seems, you think that rationality is conceding to the powerful. Rationality means you look determinedly at all parameters that are involved in a situation and set up realistic goals. Your idea that rationality may be an obstacle to glorious success is absurd to say the least. It is a highly dangerous one too, but I would be interested to hear some names of contemporary Greeks who you consider to be rational, even if you do not think much of rationalism. You know, it is quite peculiar too, that you mock rationalism but then you show exhilaration because "I admitted that rational Greeks exist". Perhaps you can explain this too.

I do not think rationality is conceding to the powerful. I am stating that you use rationality in this way. Your realistic goal is very limited, perhaps others think realism is more flexible than you. Again, this is subjective. I do not mock rationalism so much, but rather the way you are using it. Further, I did not show "exhilaration" because you admitted "rational Greeks exist" but rather pointed out that you had backtracked on your initial post, which was progress in our debate. I would not say your idea of rationality is an obstacle to glorious success, but rather an obstacle to any success whatsoever, as you limit your "realistic goals" quite considerably it seems.

[Cap]

Appeasing the aggressor? That's all you understood? You know, I am a teacher and once in England, I was lucky enough to watch a history lesson at a school in Rugby. It was about a battle between the French and the English in which the English came on top. The teacher separated the class into two groups, the French and the english. Each group was given five minutes to come up with answers. The english group had to explain why they wao the battle and the French group why they lost. The kids came up with mature answers, all based on rational arguments like tactical moves that were made at crucial times of the battle and gave important advantages.

In our case we are contented with babish talk. We fought like lions, we defended the motherland, we had saint George fighting by our side, etc.

Will we ever grow up Cap?

My friend, sometimes its black and white. Its as simple as that.
There was no conspiracy leading up to the events of 28 October 1940.
It was a case of do or die.
And yes, Greek nationalism was triggered and the nation rose up and did all it could to repel a foreign invader.
That's all it was.
And for that, I tip my hat off to them.

[Bananiot]

And your subjectivity Simon? How do you rate it. Are you then not subjective when you declare that my use of rationality is subjective?

[Oracle]

Go to bed oracle!

Why should I, you loony? You are discussing a war my mother fought in!

Of course, women do not figure in you misogynistic Turk-male filled world.

[ZoC]

Bananiot wrote:

You are making a cardinal mistake if, as it seems, you think that rationality is conceding to the powerful. Rationality means you look determinedly at all parameters that are involved in a situation and set up realistic goals. Your idea that rationality may be an obstacle to glorious success is absurd to say the least. It is a highly dangerous one too, but I would be interested to hear some names of contemporary Greeks who you consider to be rational, even if you do not think much of rationalism. You know, it is quite peculiar too, that you mock rationalism but then you show exhilaration because "I admitted that rational Greeks exist". Perhaps you can explain this too.

I do not think rationality is conceding to the powerful. I am stating that you use rationality in this way. Your realistic goal is very limited, perhaps others think realism is more flexible than you. Again, this is subjective. I do not mock rationalism so much, but rather the way you are using it. Further, I did not show "exhilaration" because you admitted "rational Greeks exist" but rather pointed out that you had backtracked on your initial post, which was progress in our debate. I would not say your idea of rationality is an obstacle to glorious success, but rather an obstacle to any success whatsoever, as you limit your "realistic goals" quite considerably it seems.

and then simon and bananiot disappeared in a puff of rhetorical smoke...

[Simon]

And your subjectivity Simon? How do you rate it. Are you then not subjective when you declare that my use of rationality is subjective?

I am not the one trying to apply "black and white" rationality to the Cyprus problem Bananiot.

[Bananiot]

Cap, have you rerad any accounts of the Greek-Italian war, from the Italian point of view? I think you should.