Oracle wrote:There are no answers, only questions ...
Then that should read… “There are only unanswered questions...”
Get Real! wrote:Oracle wrote:There are no answers, only questions ...
Then that should read… “There are only unanswered questions...”
Get Real! wrote:Klik wrote:Get Real! wrote:Klik wrote:Get Real!, I'll ask you again to do what your nickname suggests....
Every time you say that, I just come back and decimate you!
And this time will be no different because the article (which you obviously haven't read) concludes with...
"The modern Greeks would love to know they're descended from the ancient Greeks. But since 1500BC Greece has been invaded and occupied so many times I'm not sure we're going to get the answer they want."
I have read it you dufus. Have you noticed what the comment says? And have you noticed that the paragraph just before that says that THEY WILL NOT TEST THE BONES RIGHT AWAY?
Does that mean they have figured out everything and that "i'm not sure they get the answer they want" = I know for a fact after conducting a research... ?
How dumb are you really? I might just write a book about Greeks not having any relation to the ancient years and sell it you for $5000 you might just buy it and I won't care if I spend 20 hours for $5000 since I know you would buy it... Win-win situation. I rip you off, you sleep good at nights in your dreamworld
Err, I honestly think you're just too inexperienced for this section of the CF and it's in your interests to let others tackle the matter because you’re just digging your grave deeper!
Bananiot wrote:Well done Simon, but shall we look at the bigger picture? Suppose I take you back to the Hellenistic period, and you had a chance to chat with Plato and all the "brains" of the era. I think you would be very surprised by the strength of rational thought that was exhibited and looked upon as a noble virtue by the contemporaries. The Greeks of that time looked to rationality as the single vehicle that could help them escape from the dark venues of deliberate people or oppressors, call them anything you like. It took courage to move away and leave behind stereotypes, but people at the time could summon enough of it to rise above. Can you say the same about the Greeks of today?
Generally, because of globalisation of travel, different people from different countries, cultures, religions etc, come together and this stirs the feelings of the misanthropists who can never understand that accepting something different is what it matters rather than keep asking why it is different. I do not want to lose you Simon, but I think, some 2500 years ago, there were people in ancient Greece, great people, who understood certain values much more than we do today, so many years later but definitely not more wise. Yes, ancient Greece had her shortcomings, but it had rational people that stood out and made themselves count. Where are these people in contemporary Greece? Can you tell me?
Simon wrote:Bananiot wrote:Well done Simon, but shall we look at the bigger picture? Suppose I take you back to the Hellenistic period, and you had a chance to chat with Plato and all the "brains" of the era. I think you would be very surprised by the strength of rational thought that was exhibited and looked upon as a noble virtue by the contemporaries. The Greeks of that time looked to rationality as the single vehicle that could help them escape from the dark venues of deliberate people or oppressors, call them anything you like. It took courage to move away and leave behind stereotypes, but people at the time could summon enough of it to rise above. Can you say the same about the Greeks of today?
Generally, because of globalisation of travel, different people from different countries, cultures, religions etc, come together and this stirs the feelings of the misanthropists who can never understand that accepting something different is what it matters rather than keep asking why it is different. I do not want to lose you Simon, but I think, some 2500 years ago, there were people in ancient Greece, great people, who understood certain values much more than we do today, so many years later but definitely not more wise. Yes, ancient Greece had her shortcomings, but it had rational people that stood out and made themselves count. Where are these people in contemporary Greece? Can you tell me?
Bananiot, I believe it is you who is not looking at the bigger picture. You are referring to the very select "brains" of ancient Greece, as if they were representative of the average ancient Greek, or the systems of government in the ancient city-states. This is highly distortive. Yes, of course the great minds of ancient Greece were advanced far beyond their era and have offered a great deal to humanity generally, but if you are telling me there are no intellectual, rational, moral, non-racist Greeks in the world today, then I'm sorry but you're talking racist nonsense yourself. Modern Greeks have not been able to make an impact to match the ancient Greeks, but that would be pretty impossible in today's world. In any event, the logic you are using is flawed. It would be like me arguing that modern Chinese people are not the descendants of the ancient Chinese because Confucianism is not followed. It's nonsense. Yes, Greece has many improvements to make, but to tarnish all Greeks in the manner you have, and use that as matter of fact proof to show modern Greeks have nothing to do with the ancients, is quite ludicrous. Human behaviour is governed largely by circumstance, and as an independent country, Greece is still relatively young.
ZoC wrote:oh how i enjoy these "modern-greeks-aren't-really-connected-to-ancient-greeks---oh-god-don't-say-that-you'll-give-us-all-a-hernia" threads.
here's more proof of clear contiguity, courtesy of evridiki.
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