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[SKI-preo]

Is this just a bit of shit stirring? who cares really. How is this going to solve the Cyprus problem for REfugees? Most Cypriots share 99.99% of their DNA with Chimpanzees.

[Paphitis]

How do the modern Greeks compare with the ancient Greeks on the question of foreigners?

Thucydides was a huge history teacher. He reports on the funeral oration of Perikles "we leave our town open for all. We do not kick out the foreigners nor do we deter them from learning about our civilisation. We don't believe in so much the war preparations and the fake machinations, but in personal magnanimity - generosity".

The real Greeks have a duty to be magnanimous and generous (says Pericles) and Homer sings "the stranger is nothing but a brother who comes home".

Here you are then. Use the above as a yardstick and easily find out who the real Greeks of the forum are.

Thucydides would leave his town open for all, except slaves.

Get it together Bananiot. I am the first to accept that the Ancient Greeks were ahead of their time, and contributed great things to humanity.

But they did have slavery!!!!!!!!!!

But I guess some people are more equal than others!

Despite Modern Greece having some minor social issues (it is not the only one), modern Greek/Athenian society has evolved from its ancestry. Slavery is abolished and all people are free to do whatever they please, work hard and achieve.

Where is your Greek rationale?

[Bananiot]

Paphitis and Klik. What in heaven are you talking about? Here I am, a confirmed citizen of the world, stressing some of the πανανθρώπινα ιδανικά των Ελλήνων which have been copy pasted by modern liberal societies, have never been challenged, but furthered by subsequent thinkers worldwide, and all you can contribute to this argument is that the ancient Greeks were no saints after all. Klik thinks that the word barbarian had the same meaning then as it has today and concludes that foreigners were a scourge to ancient Greeks.

Ashame on you!

[Oracle]

Bananiot is confused between the two terms 'foreigner' (xenos) and barbarian (barbaros). Otherwise, he would see that they have the same connotations as they do to Greeks of today.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis and Klik. What in heaven are you talking about? Here I am, a confirmed citizen of the world, stressing some of the πανανθρώπινα ιδανικά των Ελλήνων which have been copy pasted by modern liberal societies, have never been challenged, but furthered by subsequent thinkers worldwide, and all you can contribute to this argument is that the ancient Greeks were no saints after all. Klik thinks that the word barbarian had the same meaning then as it has today and concludes that foreigners were a scourge to ancient Greeks.

Ashame on you!

I think Greece is doing just fine Bananiot.

Have you ever been to Kansas, or the deep south?

Fact is bananiot, whether we talk about Greece, Australia, UK or Australia, there will always be a lack of understanding, trust and a degree of racism to those that are so different, either in terms of race or religion.

Get over it, because I think Greeks and Cypriots are doing fine, certainly far better than the liberal Americans.

If you are a Turban Whirler or wear tea towells on your head, then don't get off the bus.

[Oracle]

The real Greeks have a duty to be magnanimous and generous (says Pericles) and Homer sings "the stranger is nothing but a brother who comes home".

And yet Greek brother fought Greek brother; then as now. As much like savages in days of the Peloponnesian wars as the civil war a mere six decades ago.

[Paphitis]

The real Greeks have a duty to be magnanimous and generous (says Pericles) and Homer sings "the stranger is nothing but a brother who comes home".

And yet Greek brother fought Greek brother; then as now. As much like savages in days of the Peloponnesian wars as the civil war a mere six decades ago.

Oracle, I believe you may be addressing Bananiot, but not me. Fix your quoting.

But anyhow, this is our biggest problem. Greeks and Cypriots are not united in their struggles, and this is very damaging and a massive weakness that others such as Turkey will exploit....

It is savage behaviour and the Ancients Greeks were as guilty as the Modern Day Greeks and Greek Cypriots. Shame.....

[Oracle]

The real Greeks have a duty to be magnanimous and generous (says Pericles) and Homer sings "the stranger is nothing but a brother who comes home".

And yet Greek brother fought Greek brother; then as now. As much like savages in days of the Peloponnesian wars as the civil war a mere six decades ago.

Oracle, I believe you may be addressing Bananiot, but not me. Fix your quoting.

But anyhow, this is our biggest problem. Greeks and Cypriots are not united in their struggles, and this is very damaging and a massive weakness that others such as Turkey will exploit....

It is savage behaviour and the Ancients Greeks were as guilty as the Modern Day Greeks and Greek Cypriots. Shame.....

I spotted what he wrote in your quote but deleted the wrong name - sorry!

But, good or bad - the Greeks have always been troubled by the same things. That need to define identity!

[Klik]

Paphitis and Klik. What in heaven are you talking about? Here I am, a confirmed citizen of the world, stressing some of the πανανθρώπινα ιδανικά των Ελλήνων which have been copy pasted by modern liberal societies, have never been challenged, but furthered by subsequent thinkers worldwide, and all you can contribute to this argument is that the ancient Greeks were no saints after all. Klik thinks that the word barbarian had the same meaning then as it has today and concludes that foreigners were a scourge to ancient Greeks.

Ashame on you!

Re! Read a book not made by Akel, Syriza, Pasok or Kke or Skopjans(worst kind) or Turks

Ancient Greece lessons101:
FOREIGNER = out of state. A Spartan was a foreigner in Athens, an Athenian was a foreigner in Macedon (eg Aristotle), a Macedonian was a foreigner in Crete etc... Foreigner did not mean "ξενος"

ξενοφοβια = today's "racism" but to a lesser extent (Trotsky's word btw and now all left wing globalists use it as a propaganda tool, it means nothing to me as it meant nothing for over 15000 years before 1910 or 1920)

βαρβαρος = ξενος. Someone who is different.
From very ancient times until a century before Pericles' reign, βαρβαρος was someone who was talking in another language. Βαρ-βαρ-βαρ-βαρ that's all they could get. Just like when you listen to Arabs talking when you have no clue of what they are saying and you mock them by saying αλλλαχαλλαμαλλαχαλλα and that kind of response among your peers... Then barbarian became a term for people who were "wrong" or "weird" or "unfit" for the general Greek public. Someone who was not "proper". Just like the English now talk about 'chavs', geordies, cockneys and scousers It became a MOCK.

Just like Philip, father of Alexander, was called a barbarian. It wasn't coz he wasn't Greek. It was because he was talking very loud and fast and nobody could actually understand a word of what he was saying most of the times, especially the southerns who had different dialects. That is also shown as Alexander was treated as a Greek King by all Greeks besides the Spartans(tough to persuade and beat in warfare and not worth it as Alexander claimed) and was not considered a barbarian or a son of a barbarian. Alexander even paid tribute to Athens after the battle of Granicus for example... Not the point though, just coz I know someone was gonna point that out

As for the Hellenes themselves.

Ελλας= Ελ- Λας- meaning. Γη του Φωτος. Land of Light. Where Ελλας was everywhere Greeks lived. From the western coast of Spain, to Marseille-Monaco-Nice, to southern Italy, present Greece and a bit more northern, to Anatolia, to the Levant(Middle East), to Cyprus, around the Black Sea, to northern Libya and anywhere else they might have been...

The reason is simple. The Greeks believed they descended from the Gods. Therefore being the Enlightened. Hence, their land was called the Land of Light. They were full of themselves. They didn't care if they'd fight a war over cattle or over a lake with a fellow Greek, but they respected the fact that they were Greek and like the Trojan war, a huge sacrifice had to be made to the Gods for attacking their 'children'(Agamemnon sacrificed his own daughter while most of the times it was bulls that were sacrficed)

The quote ΠΑΣ ΜΗ ΕΛΛΗΝ ΒΑΡΒΑΡΟΣ just proves how full of themselves the Greeks were. Sounds familiar with something you see today?

I will quote a Greek joke on that:

O Ιησούς ήταν Έλληνας. Εργαζόταν στη δουλειά του πατέρα του! Έφυγε απ' το σπίτι του στην ηλικία των τριάντα τριών ετών. Ήταν σίγουρος ότι η μητέρα του ήταν παρθένα και η μητέρα του ήταν σίγουρη ότι ο γιος της ήταν Θεός!

[Bananiot]

Wow, now you can perhaps look up Antiphon who was a leftist, it seems, who lived about 500 BC and he had the audacity to claim that "nature does not discriminate between Greeks and Barbarians, free men or slaves".