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[antifon]

Turkey's present intransigence, coupled with her unpredicable & potentially explosive situation with her own 22+% Kurdish ethnic minority, may lead many more T-Cypriots to choose to leave from Cyprus, thus today's ratio of 90-10% of legal Cypriots to improve significantly more in favor of G-Cypriots during the next several years.

The cornerstone of Turkish (& T-Cypriot) arguments is two-fold

- (a) they are equal as per 1960; and
- (b) there is a de-facto division since 1974;


Let's consider both:

The EQUALITY T-Cypriots claim stems from the 1960 constitution alone. If there were no 1960 there would be no equality between the then 82% and 18% communities. Thus, if we choose to ignore 1960 then we must also ignore the "equality" clause of the agreement. But doing so leaves us with a Cypriot population with roughly a 90-10% split between its G-Cypriot and T-Cypriot populations. Surely one would not expect today's solution to grant "equality", other than at the individual level, to a 10% community.

The 1974 "intervention" would have been legal if its result was to reinstate the 1960 constitution, as was the reason stated by Turkey. Failing to do so Turkey finds herself accused in front of numerous international bodies continues, so far with minor consequences, and rightly so.

In terms of law, the Republic of Cyprus is the strongest she has ever been. In terms of realities, she must either give in by accepting Turkey's version of a solution or else the de-facto situation will continue & perhaps one day soon Turks from Turkey will be the majority on the island, if not already. So "normally", one would expect Cyprus to put aside her pride and capitulate to the extortion before the irreversible ethnic makeup alteration of Cyprus.

In Turkey's own problem with her Kurds, it is extremely interesting to note that when Turks or T-Cypriot posters are pushed in the corner their last line of defense is always the 1923 constitution, which did not entail the recognition of a community status for the Kurds. In effect, they say that had it not been for the LEGAL basis of the country then the Kurds, an ethnos of 16-18 million, or 22+% of Turkey's population, would deserve a community status not unlike the one T-Cypriots could/can enjoy as a result of 1960.

But isn’t the legal basis the fundamental argument of the G-Cypriots for safeguarding Cyprus’ constitution & arguing against the illegality of the status-quo?

I am afraid Cyprus is indeed running out of time. As such:

[1] Cyprus must demand that Turkey abides by all UN resolutions that call upon her to remove her troops & reinstate legality together with the other two guarantor nations; the Cypriots had already agreed a solution back in 1974 on the 1960 basis of a unitary state with elements of local and communal self administration on issues of low level politics. They can do so again.

[2] Cyprus must return the favor by meddling in Turkish internal affairs. The Kurds of Turkey are already pursuing self-segregation policies. In fact their leaders openly say that ""We will review other experiences in the world & will try to reveal similarities and differences in comparison". What better basis for the solution to the Kurdish issue within the confines of the Turkish state than that which Turkey feels applicable in Cyprus. Cyprus must present Turkey's ideas in Cyprus as a possible solution to her very similar Kurdish question, thus enabling a discussion in Cypriot & Turkish societies to flourish about the principles that should govern solutions to problems that concern the relations between majority (circa 80%) and minority (circa 20%) communities in a country. Such will be the healthiest way forward for both Turkey, who has been unable to "solve" the Kurdish issue in all her 87-year existence, as well as Cyprus.

After all, if one nation has the right, even obligation, to meddle in Turkey's internal affairs without waiting first for an open invitation, that is the very nation in whose affairs Turkey has been involved unjustly, to be it mildly, over the last few decades. It is a risky one way-tunnel which must be studied carefully in conjunction with powerful allies so that the fierce reaction which will undoubtly result from Turkey can be contained.

If we try to find a solution on today's facts then either capitulation to Turkish demands or alteration of Cyprus' ethnic makeup or both are the available scenarios. There is a strong need to alter the fundamentals of the equation to make it a more balanced one. Turkey's Kurdish situation presents itself as a golden opportunity which, if tackled properly, can result to the benefit of all the peoples involved and the region's propserity. Turkey, the power that possesses the key to both problems, must realize that applying similar principles to tackle these two issues is both right but inevitable as well.

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[ttoli]

Heres an Idea!!, move all Kurds to the RoC, Not acceptable?, then keep ya nose out!

[B25]

Heres an Idea!!, move all Kurds to the RoC, Not acceptable?, then keep ya nose out!

Why is that? So you can steal their land too????

Kurdistan already exists under Turkish dictatorship. Let them be their own people and keep your F nose outta Cyprus.

Who the F does Turkey think she is anyway.

I agree, the RoC should meddle, fund the Kurds to cause them as much shit as they cause here. Good for the goose, good for the gander, no?

[antifon]

Here is an answer from a Kurd today on the Cyprus Mail:

Thu, January 13th 2011 at 12:46
Ahmet from Iraq comments:

Cyprus people should not listen to Turkish barking. Turkey thinks it is the 'USA' of the region, but really Turkey is the dog of the region. Every country & people belong to a region or continent. Turkey belong nowhere because Europeans, Arabs, Jews, Americans, nobody trusts a Turk. America use Turkey like a dog. Soon the dog will be useless & all of Turkey's problems will explode. Turkey say they have zero problems with neighbours, but really they have zero neighbours who they do NOT have a problem with. Turkey has problems along every inch of its borders.

As an Iraqi, I know the reality is that within 5 years there will be an oil rich, independent country called Kurdistan, wealthy & able to build a strong army on Turkey's border & able to buy very modern military equipment, aircrafts etc. Israel will help them with spies & intelligence & military things etc. Turkey has a very hard period of its history coming just around the corner.

Cyprus people, stand strong & don't give another inch to Turkey. Warm greetings to you from Iraq.

[runaway]

Kurds hate christian south shitriots.

[insan]

The "Kurdish problem" is a result of merciless geo-politics of globalists... Some "wise" Greeks reckon that by exploiting the situation of some Kurdish political groups who dream the "Great Kurdistan"; they would achieve their own national goals... Actually they serve the interests of the leaders of globalism... I mean the merciless global empire of dirty capitalists who r ready to do anything to grab the biggest market shares... who have a very strong influence on almost everything goes around the people...

So, if some Greek political groups officially or unofficially wish to meddle in Turkey's affairs that already they have been doing it for many decades anyways; keep undermining the stability of Turkey... but be sure of that you will be serving the interests of the fascist, global empire of a bunch of ultra-wealthy families not the interests of your people... the history well proves my point...

A Kurd or a "Kurd" or some Kurds might not be aware of what's going on and could say this or that but many Kurds i know r very well aware of the game being played both around them and the world..

[DTA]

Riddle me this then why do the radical or even not so radical Kurdish parties in Turkey recieve so little support from the entire kurdish population? Why do the majority or Kurdish people vote for mainstream parties? Kurdish people have in the past been treated poorly in some instances by Turkey but there has also been a Kurdish priminister of turkey and when sadam was using chemical weapons on iraqs Kurdish population the Borders were opened and over a million kurds came yo safety of turkey, no other nation even came close to letting ten percent of that figure in to there nation. Kurds and Turks are brothers and will remain so.

[Oracle]

Kurds hate christian south shitriots.

Not as much as they hate Turks!

[runaway]

Kurds hate christian south shitriots.

Not as much as they hate Turks!

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wrong! some kurds may dislike Turks but EVERY kurd hate christian south shitriots. Now go play your ice hockey, you know you are low in the ranking.

[Oracle]

Kurds hate christian south shitriots.

Not as much as they hate Turks!

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wrong! some kurds may dislike Turks but EVERY kurd hate christian south shitriots. Now go play your ice hockey, you know you are low in the ranking.

Don't think so, little boy! All the intellectuals of turkey are Kurds and I've met a few!

Have the 'deaf, dumb and blind kids' not beaten you yet?