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Postby Kikapu » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:18 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Everyone knows Turkey is not an EU nation nor will she be allowed to enter, they are all playing the game of politics. The GC leverage has fallen flat on its face as Turkey does not recognize the GC south, nor will it play the EU game.


The RoC's leverage was made in 2004 when the whole island became part of the EU as a RoC, hence an EU territory, which means that, at no point can Turkey will be able to claim the northern part of Cyprus for herself, not that Turkey even wants just the northern Cyprus, because Turkey wants to control ALL of Cyprus. This is the reason as to why Turkey will never push for the north to be recognised, nor would the UN or the EU would recognise it either. The status quo will continue until either a settlement will be reached along the "BBF" True Federation with EU Principles applied, which would be the compromise by all for all, or, until another military action takes place to chance the present situation. In the mean time, the south will continue to prosper economically, politically and legally, while the north will remain dependent on Turkey's handouts as well as the TCs being replaced gradually from good paying workplaces and political positions. As for Turkey not recognising the RoC, seems to have little effect on the RoC, as it seems to carry on business as usual making deals right and left as it pleases. "Time Does Not Stand Still"!
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:51 pm

The oil and natural gas fields off the coast of Cyprus approach those of Iraq, the tenth largest in the world. Tiny Cyprus is becoming more of an economic benefit to China, India and Europe then Turkey will ever be, with no Islamic fundemental side effects.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:45 pm

wyoming cowboy wrote:The oil and natural gas fields off the coast of Cyprus approach those of Iraq, the tenth largest in the world. Tiny Cyprus is becoming more of an economic benefit to China, India and Europe then Turkey will ever be, with no Islamic fundemental side effects.


This is all speculation, dont count your chickens before they hatch.
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Postby ZoC » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:59 pm

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wyoming cowboy wrote:The oil and natural gas fields off the coast of Cyprus approach those of Iraq, the tenth largest in the world. Tiny Cyprus is becoming more of an economic benefit to China, India and Europe then Turkey will ever be, with no Islamic fundemental side effects.


This is all speculation, dont count your chickens before they hatch.


they're our unhatched chickens - and we'll count them when we jolly well like, grinch.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:02 am

Kikapu
The RoC's leverage was made in 2004 when the whole island became part of the EU as a RoC,


Thats where you are wrong you can only have leverage if the entity u want has something you want, Turkey no longer wants the EU its just going through the motions.

hence an EU territory,

How can it be when u have no control of it, the laws do not apply and basically no one gives a shit about the EU or its useless promises.

which means that, at no point can Turkey will be able to claim the northern part of Cyprus for herself, not that Turkey even wants just the northern Cyprus,


What rubbish she already has the northern part of Cyprus its called the TRNC.

because Turkey wants to control ALL of Cyprus.


Total crap if that was her aim she would and could easily of taken the whole island.

This is the reason as to why Turkey will never push for the north to be recognised, nor would the UN or the EU would recognise it either


Never say never as you state time stands still for no one and it only takes the a few big boys to want something from Turkey for recognition or unification with Turkey to happen.

The status quo will continue


Totally agree.

until either a settlement will be reached along the "BBF" True Federation with EU Principles applied, which would be the compromise by all for all,


Disguised capitulation of the TCs, this will never allow as the GCs want maximum demands where they convert us into a minority on a Greek island.

until another military action takes place to chance the present situation.


Only if the GCs are stupid enough to attack Turkey.

In the mean time, the south will continue to prosper economically, politically and legally,


This you cannot be certain of with their economy closely linked to the now collapsed Greek market from which they will feel the punch and the fragile tourism inflow (any sign of a war would stop this flow) and things could turn nasty.


while the north will remain dependent on Turkey's handouts as well as the TCs being replaced gradually from good paying workplaces and political positions.


Just like any other part of Turkey or parts of South Cyprus, the admin there also gives handouts to Baf Larnaka etc.



As for Turkey not recognising the RoC, seems to have little effect on the RoC, as it seems to carry on business as usual making deals right and left as it pleases. "Time Does Not Stand Still"!


What was the last calculation 4 billion dollars a years from ports and airspace, sounds like a pretty heavy effect on the GCs.

You are right Time Stands Still for Neither Side, even GCs who will lose the north forever with no chance of ever finding a solution, game over.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:03 am

B25 wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Everyone knows Turkey is not an EU nation nor will she be allowed to enter, they are all playing the game of politics. The GC leverage has fallen flat on its face as Turkey does not recognize the GC south, nor will it play the EU game.


Says who??? VP???

Give us any official statement to qualify what you claim, otherwise shut up you moron.

Turkeys wants in more than she wants the TCs.


Fuck off you piece of shit.

No Ankara Protocol clearly shows Turkey has chosen the TCs just as they did in 1974.
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Postby B25 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:09 am

Viewpoint wrote:
B25 wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Everyone knows Turkey is not an EU nation nor will she be allowed to enter, they are all playing the game of politics. The GC leverage has fallen flat on its face as Turkey does not recognize the GC south, nor will it play the EU game.


Says who??? VP???

Give us any official statement to qualify what you claim, otherwise shut up you moron.

Turkeys wants in more than she wants the TCs.


Fuck off you piece of shit.

No Ankara Protocol clearly shows Turkey has chosen the TCs just as they did in 1974.


Too wrong shitface. Just goes to show Turkey cannot be trusted with any signed agreements. Just as well the AP was rejected, the Turds would never have kept their side of the bagain.

She did the same with the Armanian agreement. 2 bit crooked barbarians.

Turkey wants in on the EU and she coundn't give 2 shits about you or the rest of your shower.

Wet dream on. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh, nearly forgot, where's that official statement???? I am waiting.........
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:14 am

B25 wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
B25 wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Everyone knows Turkey is not an EU nation nor will she be allowed to enter, they are all playing the game of politics. The GC leverage has fallen flat on its face as Turkey does not recognize the GC south, nor will it play the EU game.


Says who??? VP???

Give us any official statement to qualify what you claim, otherwise shut up you moron.

Turkeys wants in more than she wants the TCs.


Fuck off you piece of shit.

No Ankara Protocol clearly shows Turkey has chosen the TCs just as they did in 1974.


Too wrong shitface. Just goes to show Turkey cannot be trusted with any signed agreements. Just as well the AP was rejected, the Turds would never have kept their side of the bagain.

She did the same with the Armanian agreement. 2 bit crooked barbarians.

Turkey wants in on the EU and she coundn't give 2 shits about you or the rest of your shower.

Wet dream on. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh, nearly forgot, where's that official statement???? I am waiting.........


Just as you did with the 1960 agreements??? you ignorant retard.
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Postby B25 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:06 am

Viewpoint wrote:
B25 wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
B25 wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Everyone knows Turkey is not an EU nation nor will she be allowed to enter, they are all playing the game of politics. The GC leverage has fallen flat on its face as Turkey does not recognize the GC south, nor will it play the EU game.


Says who??? VP???

Give us any official statement to qualify what you claim, otherwise shut up you moron.

Turkeys wants in more than she wants the TCs.


Fuck off you piece of shit.

No Ankara Protocol clearly shows Turkey has chosen the TCs just as they did in 1974.


Too wrong shitface. Just goes to show Turkey cannot be trusted with any signed agreements. Just as well the AP was rejected, the Turds would never have kept their side of the bagain.

She did the same with the Armanian agreement. 2 bit crooked barbarians.

Turkey wants in on the EU and she coundn't give 2 shits about you or the rest of your shower.

Wet dream on. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh, nearly forgot, where's that official statement???? I am waiting.........


Just as you did with the 1960 agreements??? you ignorant retard.


Your statement please, or shutup and stop spreading BS.

The 1960 agreement you ditched when you double crossed the Republic and invited in Turkey. You are the guily ones on this front.

We are waiting............
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Postby halil » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:23 am

Comments and criticisms are still engaged the TC and Turkey's press and public about Markel visit to south Cyprus.

here is the interesting comments from YAVUZ BAYDAR

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Merkel goes cynical on Cyprus

“We greatly appreciate your courage, creativity shown and initiative taken to solve the problem. We see that you are taking many steps and we also see that the Turkish side is not responding adequately to your steps.”


These are the words, if cited accurately by the Greek Cypriot press, of Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, during a historic (after 49 years by a leader of the country to the island) visit, expressed to Dimitris Christofias, president of (Greek) Cyprus.

To describe the message as “problematic” would be an understatement. No matter how much “damage control” Merkel’s spokesman, Steffen Seibert, tried to accomplish, it has been unhelpful.

“The German chancellor does not need to be lectured on history,” was the remark made by Seibert. It may be true, but the fact remains that Merkel needs a lecture on diplomacy.

It was at first unclear what she meant when she used the phrase the “Turkish side.” North Cyprus or Turkey? But it seems clear now that Merkel had Turkey in mind when speaking in a manner that implied taking Christofias’ side, and it raises new questions on very basic matters.

There is no doubt Merkel had no idea that the two leaders on the island, Christofias and Derviş Eroğlu, would attend a critical meeting in Geneva on Jan. 26. The unfruitful UN-led talks have been going on for years, which led to clearly articulated frustration by Ban Ki-moon, the secretary-general of the UN, in a paper calling on the two leaders to come with a plan to Geneva. One may argue about whether this “threat” will work. But it is worth reminding Merkel that the process is still under the control of the UN, and not the EU.

Greek Cypriots profoundly dislike the UN-led process. It stands as a nuisance before them, since they enjoy the benefits and leverages that EU membership has offered. It has been the reason for calls for caution by other “wise” leaders in the EU that the less interfering the EU is in the process, the better the options are for a settlement.

At first reading, Merkel’s remark may seem proper. Those with a mechanical sense of legality may argue that “of course, Turkey should implement the protocol and open its ports,” etc. But, as a matter of fact it is based on the assumption that a UN-led process does not exist, and there are only two parties that keep negotiating.

After the “I am on your side” declaration by Merkel, the prospect for Geneva is very predictable. Christofias, feeling the backing of a powerful EU actor for the traditional maximalism that marked the UN process, will sing the same verses, as will his disappointed counterpart, Eroğlu. Clearly, there is no reason Ban will thank Merkel for her “constructive” efforts.

Naiveté aside, it becomes ever clearer that the German chancellor is playing it cynically. Hoping the world ignores the message of the 2004 referendum still echoing in collective memory and the pledges to lift the embargo on the north, she deepens the rift by openly using the deadlock between Turkey and Cyprus in order to push out the former, further away from the prospect of the EU. Distancing itself further from Ankara, instrumentalizing the Cyprus conflict was the line held by Paris, and is now openly joined by Berlin. There can be no other explanation for her seemingly erratic remarks in Nicosia.

Yet, the question is open for Berlin: What is the German strategy for Turkey and its negotiation process with the EU? There is no answer but only frustration for Turkey’s growing regional and international role, followed by emotionally motivated acts of desperation -- like the one in Nicosia.

Cyprus needs a unified push for a solution from within. That it will be used as bait to integrate Turkey into the EU is a pipedream, because it is based on the assumption that Turkey cannot survive politically and economically without it. Times change, and some powerful actors in the EU sadly drag behind it. The real need for stability and security in the eastern Mediterranean is to be met only by actively promoting a functioning model of cohabitation on Cyprus; not by favoring one side of the conflict.
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