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[AEKTZIS]

to other cypriots i am an egglezaki

i consider myself a cypriot and a greek

[Filitsa]

Misunderstood your previous post. No worries.

[Oracle]

Sorry guys, but Cyprus thrives economically in large part because it is not Greece. This is a no-brainer.

And it's a no-brainer that the USofA worked to bring down the figure-head European countries.

[Klik]

The first post sounds fair, but yet immature.

Everything as we know it could have been different if one person made one single choice differently. It's all down to detail, but people laugh when they hear that. It's like listening to people commenting on post-games where if a penalty was awarded in the 20th minute that team would have won because the game ended 1-1 instead of 2-1. That's a 5 year olds logic that follows almost everyone even today unfortunately.


If Enosis was implemented in 1931 or 1915 when it was more possible than ever, then Cyprus would have been an ideal location for Greek businesses. Unlike Crete, Cyprus is not that traditional. Cypriots are more open minded than the average Aegeanite.

If everything else was to remain as it was, and Enosis was achieved in 1915 or 1931, then Cyprus would still be an English colony or perhaps would have been invaded harshly by Nazi Germany in the 2nd world war(key). You never know, since Suez was kinda big in those times, the location of Cyprus would appeal to the Germans who could literally destroy the Middle Eastern Allied forces from here.

If Enosis was achieved in 1950, then Cyprus would have been the perfect location for the Constantinople and Smyrni (and other) refugees. Perhaps we'd have 7-8 cities now instead of just 6(3.5 now unfortunately), towns like Nea Smyrni or Nea Ionia etc. I think it would have been preferrable for the Greek government to locate the refugees in Cyprus. That could come in 'exchange' for the Turks in Cyprus as well, and Turkey could have nothing on Cyprus, not even on the background.

Cyprus, unlike Crete which is the other big Greek island, would prove an economic boost rather than wound. Crete does not have the resources Cyprus has, and as I said, Cypriots are less traditional. Of course there wouldn't be as many government jobs, but there would have been a stronger police department eg. Army would have been stronger as we'd have strong defense like Crete with new hi-tech weapons...
We'd also possibly have a Cyprus Minister, appointed by the Prime Minister like there's been a Makedonia-Thraki Minister and Aegean Minister, due to geographic location. Therefore, we'd still have some jobs in the government.

Culturally, it would have been a bit different. Cyprus has too many sports teams for its size, that are doing well compared to Greece. You have two quite good teams in Limassol Ael and Apollon, Anorthosi, Apoel & Omonoia(we can't be sure if Omonoia would exist though ) and generally you see many teams, and local Nicosia clubs in basketball and local sea-side teams in volleyball. Crete on the other hand has two football teams and one basketball team that are not that great. Ergotelis & Ofi football, and Rethimno in basketball. Rhodes has 2 football teams, Rodos FC and Diagoras and one basketball team as well, Kolossos.

I think Cyprus would still have good teams and that would improve the general sporting level of Greece since Crete, Rhodes and perhaps some islands in the Ionian sea would develop more sports teams.

Enosis in 1931 would have been the best thing, since there would be no "Greek Cypriot" - "Turkish Cypriot" tags, coz that's when the British decided to differentiate Cypriots from Ottomans.. Everything would have been a lot easier and no tension at all between the communities.

It's all speculation of course since as I said, even the slightest detail may have a huge impact.
Enosis in 1974 could have caused 3rd world war imo, given the tensions between USA and Russia, who also wanted route into the Aegea/Mediterranean. Could have ended the EU before it became corrupt as well...

[Silenus]

Sorry guys, but Cyprus thrives economically in large part because it is not Greece. This is a no-brainer.

And it's a no-brainer that the USofA worked to bring down the figure-head European countries.

Also a no-brainer that Cyprus is partially occupied by two other countries because it's not part of Greece.

[Filitsa]

Sorry guys, but Cyprus thrives economically in large part because it is not Greece. This is a no-brainer.

And it's a no-brainer that the USofA worked to bring down the figure-head European countries.

Greece?

[Oracle]

Sorry guys, but Cyprus thrives economically in large part because it is not Greece. This is a no-brainer.

And it's a no-brainer that the USofA worked to bring down the figure-head European countries.

Greece?

Just clarifying a few matters.

We all know the Americans' viewpoint of the rest of the world. Hoped you were less parochial.

Continue your copy-cat Universities and 'democracy' systems with Greek ( - insert haughty Yank laughter - ) Blueprints ...

[Filitsa]

The first post sounds fair, but yet immature.

Everything as we know it could have been different if one person made one single choice differently. It's all down to detail, but people laugh when they hear that. It's like listening to people commenting on post-games where if a penalty was awarded in the 20th minute that team would have won because the game ended 1-1 instead of 2-1. That's a 5 year olds logic that follows almost everyone even today unfortunately.

If Enosis was implemented in 1931 or 1915 when it was more possible than ever, then Cyprus would have been an ideal location for Greek businesses. Unlike Crete, Cyprus is not that traditional. Cypriots are more open minded than the average Aegeanite.

If everything else was to remain as it was, and Enosis was achieved in 1915 or 1931, then Cyprus would still be an English colony or perhaps would have been invaded harshly by Nazi Germany in the 2nd world war(key). You never know, since Suez was kinda big in those times, the location of Cyprus would appeal to the Germans who could literally destroy the Middle Eastern Allied forces from here.

If Enosis was achieved in 1950, then Cyprus would have been the perfect location for the Constantinople and Smyrni (and other) refugees. Perhaps we'd have 7-8 cities now instead of just 6(3.5 now unfortunately), towns like Nea Smyrni or Nea Ionia etc. I think it would have been preferrable for the Greek government to locate the refugees in Cyprus. That could come in 'exchange' for the Turks in Cyprus as well, and Turkey could have nothing on Cyprus, not even on the background.

Cyprus, unlike Crete which is the other big Greek island, would prove an economic boost rather than wound. Crete does not have the resources Cyprus has, and as I said, Cypriots are less traditional. Of course there wouldn't be as many government jobs, but there would have been a stronger police department eg. Army would have been stronger as we'd have strong defense like Crete with new hi-tech weapons...
We'd also possibly have a Cyprus Minister, appointed by the Prime Minister like there's been a Makedonia-Thraki Minister and Aegean Minister, due to geographic location. Therefore, we'd still have some jobs in the government.

Culturally, it would have been a bit different. Cyprus has too many sports teams for its size, that are doing well compared to Greece. You have two quite good teams in Limassol Ael and Apollon, Anorthosi, Apoel & Omonoia(we can't be sure if Omonoia would exist though ) and generally you see many teams, and local Nicosia clubs in basketball and local sea-side teams in volleyball. Crete on the other hand has two football teams and one basketball team that are not that great. Ergotelis & Ofi football, and Rethimno in basketball. Rhodes has 2 football teams, Rodos FC and Diagoras and one basketball team as well, Kolossos.

I think Cyprus would still have good teams and that would improve the general sporting level of Greece since Crete, Rhodes and perhaps some islands in the Ionian sea would develop more sports teams.

Enosis in 1931 would have been the best thing, since there would be no "Greek Cypriot" - "Turkish Cypriot" tags, coz that's when the British decided to differentiate Cypriots from Ottomans.. Everything would have been a lot easier and no tension at all between the communities.

It's all speculation of course since as I said, even the slightest detail may have a huge impact.
Enosis in 1974 could have caused 3rd world war imo, given the tensions between USA and Russia, who also wanted route into the Aegea/Mediterranean. Could have ended the EU before it became corrupt as well...

I think the term you're looking for is "faulty hypothetical." ... And I agree, indeed it is a faulty hypothetical. On the other hand, it is interesting, and sometimes amusing, to read how various forumers address the hypothetical.

[Filitsa]

Sorry guys, but Cyprus thrives economically in large part because it is not Greece. This is a no-brainer.

And it's a no-brainer that the USofA worked to bring down the figure-head European countries.

Greece?

Just clarifying a few matters.

We all know the Americans' viewpoint of the rest of the world. Hoped you were less parochial.

Continue your copy-cat Universities and 'democracy' systems with Greek ( - insert haughty Yank laughter - ) Blueprints ...

Now, Oracle, it doesn't advance your argument to insult me. Besides, I treasure my Hellenic heritage; however, I wouldn't exactly refer to modern-day Greece as a European figure head.

[Oracle]

Sorry guys, but Cyprus thrives economically in large part because it is not Greece. This is a no-brainer.

And it's a no-brainer that the USofA worked to bring down the figure-head European countries.

Greece?

Just clarifying a few matters.

We all know the Americans' viewpoint of the rest of the world. Hoped you were less parochial.

Continue your copy-cat Universities and 'democracy' systems with Greek ( - insert haughty Yank laughter - ) Blueprints ...

Now, Oracle, it doesn't advance your argument to insult me. Besides, I treasure my Hellenic heritage; however, I wouldn't exactly refer to modern-day Greece as a European figure head.

Care to advance, for our enlightenment, an American Golden Girl's point of view on 'Greece in the 21st century'?