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[denizaksulu]

You won't find many Australians and Canadians claiming to be 'British' that's for sure.

The difference here is choice. The Australians choose to have a separate country, just like they choose to have the British flag embed in their own flag, and the Queen of England as their own Queen.

On the other hand the Liverpudlians didn't choose to have a separate country so they claim to be British.

The people of Cyprus, like the people of all other Greek islands, choose to be part of united Greek state. But our choice was denied to us and we were forced to be a separate country bnnm because this is what suited the interests of certain foreign imperialists.

This may be true politically, but natioanlity and culture are not necessarily one and the same.

Within the Greek nation there are of course variations in culture, language etc, just like in any other nation. Even within Cyprus there is variation. E.g. the culture and language in Paphos is a bit different than in Nicosia. Does this mean the Paphians should be "just Paphians" and not Cypriots and Greeks?

Perhaps I should elaborate. One can be a citizen of a particular nation and practice a culture foreign to that nation. Maybe it would help to understand that my orientation is second generation American, and I still find it difficult to define American culture.

It is said, that there is more culture in a tub of Cypriot yogurt, than there is in America!

Hey, poniro! I didn't say we don't have "culture;" I said it's hard to define!

I know.

How can one define American culture when in fact, it is a "melting-pot culture" of 200+ nations that makes up the American culture.?

Just like Cyprus with its tiny pot.

[antifon]

It is actually 10-fold easier than being a Turk, where the identifier relates to a specific ethnicity but circa 30% of Turkish population are something else first. In Cyprus you can easily say you are Turkish-Cypriot or Armenian-Cypriot or Greek-Cypriot.

In Turkey, you are a Turk. Period. Imagine a Kurd. She will not call herself a Kurdish-Turk. She is a Kurd, who happens to live in Turkey. It would also mean that an ethnic Turk would be referred to as a Turkish-Turk!

See an interesting article here:
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-232143- ... urkey.html

In conclusion, we don't have it so difficult in reality.

http://antifon.blogspot.com

[supporttheunderdog]

Why is it so difficult to be Cypriot?

Because Immigration take so long to process the application for citizenship?

[supporttheunderdog]

It is actually 10-fold easier than being a Turk, where the identifier relates to a specific ethnicity but circa 30% of Turkish population are something else first. In Cyprus you can easily say you are Turkish-Cypriot or Armenian-Cypriot or Greek-Cypriot.

In Turkey, you are a Turk. Period. Imagine a Kurd. She will not call herself a Kurdish-Turk. She is a Kurd, who happens to live in Turkey. It would also mean that an ethnic Turk would be referred to as a Turkish-Turk!

See an interesting article here:
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-232143- ... urkey.html

In conclusion, we don't have it so difficult in reality.

http://antifon.blogspot.com

Interstingly it appears that genetically only between 10 and 30% of the Citizens of Turkey are of Altaic Turkish genetic stock - the rest appear to be able trace their ancestry back to to the inhabitants of Anatolia in Ancient times, eg Hittites, who ere genetically closer to the Chorikotian Cypriiots and Pelasgians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_or ... ish_people

Turkishness appears to be as result of Elitist ascendancy, just as it might be the case for Greekness in Cyprus. That might partly account for the reason why some reasearch suggests the Turkish Cypriots who came from Anatolia in the 1570's are seemingly genetically similar to Greek Cypriots mayand not have so significantly affected the genetic pool, one other rerason being that they otherwise quite succesfully achieved some genetic input.

Either way if as some genetic research shows the genetic make up of Turkish Cypriots is similar to Greek Cypriots then stripping away the cultural differences they are quite close cousins (and all Humans are afater all rerlated to a greater or lesser extent) and can call themselves Cypriot,

Oracle, the last time I argued a similar point you produced an item and sought to usse it to argue the Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots were not genetically close but as I recall both Denizsulu and I could only identify comments on the genetics of Greek Cypriots with no rerference to Turkish Cypriots: Yiou said you would produce more. I am as always open to consider alternative evidence on this topic.

[Gregory]

It is actually 10-fold easier than being a Turk, where the identifier relates to a specific ethnicity but circa 30% of Turkish population are something else first. In Cyprus you can easily say you are Turkish-Cypriot or Armenian-Cypriot or Greek-Cypriot.

In Turkey, you are a Turk. Period. Imagine a Kurd. She will not call herself a Kurdish-Turk. She is a Kurd, who happens to live in Turkey. It would also mean that an ethnic Turk would be referred to as a Turkish-Turk!

See an interesting article here:
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-232143- ... urkey.html

In conclusion, we don't have it so difficult in reality.

http://antifon.blogspot.com

Interstingly it appears that genetically only between 10 and 30% of the Citizens of Turkey are of Altaic Turkish genetic stock - the rest appear to be able trace their ancestry back to to the inhabitants of Anatolia in Ancient times, eg Hittites, who ere genetically closer to the Chorikotian Cypriiots and Pelasgians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_or ... ish_people

Turkishness appears to be as result of Elitist ascendancy, just as it might be the case for Greekness in Cyprus. That might partly account for the reason why some reasearch suggests the Turkish Cypriots who came from Anatolia in the 1570's are seemingly genetically similar to Greek Cypriots mayand not have so significantly affected the genetic pool, one other rerason being that they otherwise quite succesfully achieved some genetic input.

Either way if as some genetic research shows the genetic make up of Turkish Cypriots is similar to Greek Cypriots then stripping away the cultural differences they are quite close cousins (and all Humans are afater all rerlated to a greater or lesser extent) and can call themselves Cypriot,

Oracle, the last time I argued a similar point you produced an item and sought to usse it to argue the Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots were not genetically close but as I recall both Denizsulu and I could only identify comments on the genetics of Greek Cypriots with no rerference to Turkish Cypriots: Yiou said you would produce more. I am as always open to consider alternative evidence on this topic.

Very simple why a lot of tcs are genetically similar to gcs. Apart from those Arabs, venetians, lusignans etc that conquered and shagged on this island there was also a huge amount of gcs that converted to islam to escape the harsh ottoman taxes.