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[B25]

I was referring to parallels in the two dimensional sphere (meaning realm), so not expecting them to coincide (except in the case of two parallel lines "a" and "b" where a=b); which is why I used "or" relative to the unknown "coincidence". Did anyone mention Euclid? Blimey, if it wasn't for Pliny! ... Now, there's another coincidence!

Are all the preliminaries over?

A sphere has three dimensions...

Oops! Now look what I have gone and done.

Back to the thread guys.

[Jerry]

Kissinger effectively gave the green light to the Turks for the second part of the invasion when he refused to support British attempts to block a Turkish breakout according to James Callaghan. There are some interesting details of the events of 1974 in the link from Callaghan's book.


http://web.archive.org/web/200710181006 ... laghan.htm
“I would repeat the warning to the Turks on whom would fall the onus of challenging the United Nations, but I must be assured of American support if I were to do so, and in the light of our conversation this would apparently not be forthcoming. I continued that I understood American concern with the broad issues of the south-east flank of NATO but the United States was ignoring other perspectives, including Britain's role as a Guarantor Power and the safeguarding of the lives of thousands of British citizens.
As soon as Arthur Hartman had left, I fired off a telegram to Henry Kissinger, saying that these important differences were impairing our mutual confidence. I reiterated that it was not sufficient to approach the Turks solely through the medium of diplomacy. The correct policy was to tackle them on parallel lines, namely to convince them that we were in earnest on both the diplomatic and the military level. This was the most likely way to achieve results. As to his complaint that the British had introduced a military dimension, I reminded him that the reality was that this dimension was constantly hanging over the heads of the British troops who were heavily outnumbered by up to twenty-five thousand Turkish soldiers.
Kissinger's response was to telephone Ecevit once more to renew his personal plea that Turkey should adhere to a political solution, telling him that he could expect no support if the Turks made a military move and that the United States would mount a major diplomatic effort to halt them. Kissinger told me that he would give every support to British efforts to save the crisis by diplomatic means, but he did not consider threats of military action either helpful or appropriate, as they distracted attention from the political options. I recognised both Henry's ability and the influence of America, which had been very considerable in securing the cease-fire on 22 July, but I was convinced that more would be needed on this occasion. The only thing that might deter the Turks was the conviction that they would face military opposition if they attempted to advance further.”

[Silenus]

My instinct would be to not give too much credence to a self-serving account from some cockhead brit PM when the policy of the UK from the colonial era up until today has been to ruthlessly pursue her own interests in Cyprus at the expense largely of the GC population.

[Jerry]

My instinct would be to not give too much credence to a self-serving account from some cockhead brit PM when the policy of the UK from the colonial era up until today has been to ruthlessly pursue her own interests in Cyprus at the expense largely of the GC population.

Never had much time for Callaghan myself but I have little doubt that what he said is probably true and could be backed up evidence from other sources. If you read (and believe) the link you will see that the British forces stopped the Turks occupying Nicosia Airport. A GC poster on CF actually stated some time ago that they were supplied with ammunition by the Brits in defence of the airpost.

[B25]

Jerry, if that is true, then it's the least the Brits could have done after they shafted us.
Now perhaps you can understand how the Yanks create bad feelings and hence situations like 9/11.

The CP is a mixture of US/UK and Turk interference, with some treacherous GC's thrown in.

The rest is history.

[Nikephoros]

I will tell you a parable, since most of your nation are like country bumpkins. There is a small kid at school, the smallest infact, he is named Trexo. Everyday he gets harried, but never fully attacked by a Turk named Orhan. But it is ok, because he is protected by a kid called America, who has his way with the school. But eventually Trexo decides to support a man named Castro. Emboldened he next contacts a man from a country called the USSR. Then he joins with Nasser to form a non-aligned movement in school. America got pissed, since he had great influence in the school, he protected Trexo, but he was back-stabbed by this scrawny punk making machinations to break up his influence. He decided to stop holding back his partner Orhan. The next day Orhan attacked Trexo with the weapons America gave him, Trexo was very badly damaged, his body was ravaged. He had to get amputations to live but couldn't afford it, so he gave some limbs, 1/3rd of his body to Orhan since he knew how to chop them off. Orhan told him, next time he had his extra limbs to kick his ass harder. Trexo said he wanted no fight, that he wanted to live in peace with his Turkish side and said, "If I prove it, can I get my limbs back." Orhan laughed, "Try and maybe we will negotiate." Since that day Trexo was never the same, he abandoned his identity to tune in with his Turkish side and all his brave, sturdy limbs are gone, leaving only his running legs. Thus he is a running man, always running from Orhan and trouble.

Kissinger was a great man who looked out for his nation's interests. No one told you Cypriot Arab gypsies to try to run the Cuba blockade, flirt with the USSR, try to lead the Non-Aligned Movement, vote affirmative for China's permament seat in the UN. America protected you, but then they decide to let the Turks they armed eat you unworthy morons, instead of let the island possibly fall out of their sphere of influence. You should ask your dumb arse selves why you never had a leader that could ever identity and prosecute effectively your national interests. All you had to do is play ball by the American rules, but no you morons write crap all day "about democratically elected Makarios". When that sublime turd of a Rasputin was running a small insignificant country, but acted like global leader, a world mover that could foster the Non-Aligned Movement and pursue an independent path.

You guys barely have any will to exist as a nation and no idea what it takes to be a nation. That is why so many of you act like if you adopt a Neo-Cypriot identity(I prefer the terms: Cypriot-Cypriot or Arab Cypriot since they fight like Arabs), that you will have the fake peace of running men cowards who change their identity to cower better from the Turks. You guys better grow up, learn and stop whining about other country's that look after their own interests while you bitch to the world about the aesthetics of justice being solved by solving the Cyprus Problem.

[wyoming cowboy]

What a lot of interesting coincidences; or, should that be parallels?

Parallels strictly do not coincide.

Mathematically parallels coincide at infinity!

But, hey I am happy with either term. Welcome to the rat race.

therefore in infinity there will be a solution to the Cyprus problem.....right?

[Gregory]

I will tell you a parable, since most of your nation are like country bumpkins. There is a small kid at school, the smallest infact, he is named Trexo. Everyday he gets harried, but never fully attacked by a Turk named Orhan. But it is ok, because he is protected by a kid called America, who has his way with the school. But eventually Trexo decides to support a man named Castro. Emboldened he next contacts a man from a country called the USSR. Then he joins with Nasser to form a non-aligned movement in school. America got pissed, since he had great influence in the school, he protected Trexo, but he was back-stabbed by this scrawny punk making machinations to break up his influence. He decided to stop holding back his partner Orhan. The next day Orhan attacked Trexo with the weapons America gave him, Trexo was very badly damaged, his body was ravaged. He had to get amputations to live but couldn't afford it, so he gave some limbs, 1/3rd of his body to Orhan since he knew how to chop them off. Orhan told him, next time he had his extra limbs to kick his ass harder. Trexo said he wanted no fight, that he wanted to live in peace with his Turkish side and said, "If I prove it, can I get my limbs back." Orhan laughed, "Try and maybe we will negotiate." Since that day Trexo was never the same, he abandoned his identity to tune in with his Turkish side and all his brave, sturdy limbs are gone, leaving only his running legs. Thus he is a running man, always running from Orhan and trouble.

Kissinger was a great man who looked out for his nation's interests. No one told you Cypriot Arab gypsies to try to run the Cuba blockade, flirt with the USSR, try to lead the Non-Aligned Movement, vote affirmative for China's permament seat in the UN. America protected you, but then they decide to let the Turks they armed eat you unworthy morons, instead of let the island possibly fall out of their sphere of influence. You should ask your dumb arse selves why you never had a leader that could ever identity and prosecute effectively your national interests. All you had to do is play ball by the American rules, but no you morons write crap all day "about democratically elected Makarios". When that sublime turd of a Rasputin was running a small insignificant country, but acted like global leader, a world mover that could foster the Non-Aligned Movement and pursue an independent path.

You guys barely have any will to exist as a nation and no idea what it takes to be a nation. That is why so many of you act like if you adopt a Neo-Cypriot identity(I prefer the terms: Cypriot-Cypriot or Arab Cypriot since they fight like Arabs), that you will have the fake peace of running men cowards who change their identity to cower better from the Turks. You guys better grow up, learn and stop whining about other country's that look after their own interests while you bitch to the world about the aesthetics of justice being solved by solving the Cyprus Problem.

Or what? You're gonna come and hit us with your McDonald's spatula? Come do your army service you worm and then I'll let you talk tough till you're mullet hairstyle grows back.

[Nikephoros]

What army service you Cypriot ancestor of running men? No one in my country has mandatory service.

I never expected most of the Cypriot bumpkins to understand the simple message I sent. You can only sit and bitch about external parties, never acknowledging your massive stupidities and lack of character necessary to maintain an independent state. The only reason why any Greek Cypriot minority and their Arab Cypriot majority are still in Cyprus today is because it is a gesture to Greece that the USA only allowed its Turkish muppet to take a portion of the island. So be thankful it could be worse if you were left wholly to your own efforts.

[Gregory]

What army service you Cypriot ancestor of running men? No one in my country has mandatory service.

I never expected most of the Cypriot bumpkins to understand the simple message I sent. You can only sit and bitch about external parties, never acknowledging your massive stupidities and lack of character necessary to maintain an independent state. The only reason why any Greek Cypriot minority and their Arab Cypriot majority are still in Cyprus today is because it is a gesture to Greece that the USA only allowed its Turkish muppet to take a portion of the island. So be thankful it could be worse if you were left wholly to your own efforts.

When Afxentiou and Pallikarides and just about every single teen on this island were fighting a superpower with rocks, guns and bombs you were watching elmo on sesame street you moron. When Antonis Papadopulos and Tasos Markou were holding the line from Nicosia to Famagusta with a fraction of the mehmetchik attacking him you were in queens flippin burgers.

When we were high school students in the 80s and 90s storming Ledra palace and spitting and throwing rocks in the face of Turkish guards your youth was shooting up crack.

Quit shagging your cousin for a second and read what kissinger wrote you inbred red neck. Your country was facing the music of its own corruption in the 70s to have done anything different. Kissingers bright idea was to recognise Sampson and his govt straight away.