erolz wrote:Again you totaly fail to understand the point I make. I will not get into any detailed discussion with you about the merits of different religions because you are incapable of rational and balanced analysis. Your hatred blinds you and is clear in all your posts on the subject.
Of course you are not going to enter into any debate on the specifics because you can't answer for the reems upon reems of verses in the Quran that justify everything from wife-beating to genocide, racism to world conquest, and stoning to ritual murder.
Ishaq:243 “I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!’ He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom.” [9:61] “Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey’s.’” I thought that Islam transcended many boundaries, including ethnicitiy, if this is the case, why is the Quran so racist in this case? Why does it encourage such disgusting things? Surely you have the answer to this, or are you just going to adopt hypothetical comparitives because you cannot face the truth. The truth, though, is most likely hard, as we know only too well about the fate of Churches in occupied Cyprus - The people who did those terrible things to the Churches and their priests were not bad Muslims, they were not doing these things to innocent people that were strictly forbidden by the Quran, no, these things are encouraged!
Tabari IX:113 “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.”Wife beating it seems, is also one of Allah's hobbies. Can I ask you a question Erolz, why is it that when Mohammed stated that Muslims could only take a maximum of 3 wives, but when he wanted to wed another women, he miraculously had a message from Allah that told him:
Qur’an 66:1 “O Prophet! Why forbid yourself that which Allah has made lawful to you? You seek to please your consorts. And Allah is Forgiving, Most Kind. Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.” Allah seemed to come just in the nick of time for that one eh? Also, Islam encourages rape, we know this from various parts of the Hadiths, and the Quran itself - Why did such a great man, a 'prophet' rape women - Surely you, a seasoned Islamic and Ottoman Apologist, could answer this for me, The Quran also gives full authority for Muslims to have whoever they desire, for example:
Tabari VIII:116/Ishaq:511 “So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered home by home. The Messenger took some of its people captive, including Safiyah, and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself.” Qur’an 33:51 “You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame.”From this verse we can also draw the conclusion that Mohammed was a thief. But we know this from the entire History of Mohammed's 'unificiation' of the Arabian Peninsula, wherever he went he demanded that 20% of the booty was always made his. This much is solid Historical fact, you cannot shield your eyes from the truth forever:
Ishaq:510 “When the Apostle looked down on Khaybar he told his Companions, ‘O Allah, Lord of the heavens and what they overshadow, and Lord of the Devils and what into error they throw, and Lord of the winds and what they winnow, we ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.’”The Quran itself states that Mohammed used mass thievery to garner support for himself. Obviously it was attractive to certain unsavoury characters that Mohammed was winning his battles and bringing out of them great wealth and many women for which the Arabs and Mohammed and his leadership could rape. The Quran admits that the booty of conquest was used as a precursor to garner support here, why would such a prophet use such unscrupulous means?
Ishaq:327 “Allah made booty lawful and good. He used it to incite the Muslims to unity of purpose. So enjoy what you have captured.”And what happens to those who resist such an enslaught, 'tolerant Islam'? Or anything like that? Bullshit, The Quran clearly states:
Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.” Those who dare to criticize Islam are not in for an easy ride it seems. I will not allow the World to fall victim to this devil cult. And what of the unbelievers, (kaffir), in the Quran, are they treated any differently? Nope, they are given Dhimmi status in the Caliphate and made to pay a Jizyah for the maintenance of Muslims, Mohammed clearly states in the Quran that:
Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”Islamic Tolerance? Don't make me laugh!
And what of the prophet himself in regards to torture?
Tabari VII:133/Ishaq:387 “When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, ‘If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!'"And the Quran also clearly states how Islam should be spread:
Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’” So the old testement is to be ignored? Convenient, to someone who wishish to make no balanced analysis. What do you make of Noam Chomsky's quote
The point of Christianity is the teachings of Christ, hence the name, the New Testament contains these verses, it also contains frequent contradictions of the Old Testament, purposeful contradictions in fact:
"You have been told an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth....."A clear reference to old Judaic Law, which Jesus purposefully contradicted.
"The Bible is one of the most genocidal books in history." ?
And? I don't agree with Noam Chomsky on everything, I fail to see your point.
Let me be perfectly clear here. I am not an advocate of any religion. I am an advocate of reasonablness, fairness, critical and logical analysis. I am an oponent of fanatisim, extremisim, liers and people driven by hatred. In short I am an oponent of you.
What do you consider 'fair', for me to say that Islam is a religion of peace? For me to lie completely? I will not do this, I will not lie for the benefit of Muslims. Islam is irrational, it is wicked, and it is vicious - It must be dealt with. It must be dealt with via logic and pure presentation of the facts of what is in the Quran.
You lie shamelessly. You show no ability to be balanced.
Show me the 'balanced' side of Islam, go on, show me how tolerant Shariah Law is and how A Caliphate treats everyone so nicely. I will not be 'nice' I will post what is in the Quran, The Quran speaks for itself, I don't need to fill it up with a lengthy diatribe, the Quran and Islam totally speak for themselves.[/b]
