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[ChomskyFan]

Pan

sorry but you know nothing, All religion is against secularism. Yes, christianity also against it.

Sorry, that simply isn't true, Islam is religiopolitical in the sense it's not really a collection of common theistic themes in The Quran but a complete guide on how to live your life from how to bath to how to eat. It also says The State should be governed under the law that IT dictates (The Shariah), and should be ruled by a single leader of 'Caliph'. Islam considers man-made laws evil.

Every time I have gone on an Islamic Forum and questioned certain verses in the Quran I have been subjected to a torrent of abuse and an instant ban. One particular forum says that 'doubt of the true verses will result in an instantaenous permenant ban' or something along those lines. That's why I get annoyed about certain Muslims from time to time, even the most Liberal Muslim throws a fit if you analyse the Quran from an intellectual standpoint.

[Turkey (( *]

Pan

sorry but you know nothing, All religion is against secularism. Yes, christianity also against it.

even the most Liberal Muslim throws a fit if you analyse the Quran from an
intellectual standpoint.

Yes, because religion isn't made to be critisized it is made to follow!! You may or may not follow it that is your own choice but religion is not made to critisize!! That is the whole point you dont get!!

[ChomskyFan]

Pan

sorry but you know nothing, All religion is against secularism. Yes, christianity also against it.

even the most Liberal Muslim throws a fit if you analyse the Quran from an
intellectual standpoint.

Yes, because religion isn't made to be critisized it is made to follow!! You may or may not follow it that is your own choice but religion is not made to critisize!! That is the whole point you dont get!!

So Galileo should just have said, 'Right, can't criticize the Church, so Copernicanism is wrong! Guess the Sun does revolve around the Earth then.'

Religion should definately be criticized, Christianity has been for centuries, why not Islam? Is it fear of being killed?

I, and anyone else on this Planet can criticize any religion we want, we will not be scared by the hatchet men of Allah who butchered Theo Van Gogh.

[Turkey (( *]

Look you may go with your stupid fantasies, you are just not worth answering. Go, do whatever you want! No wonder you have been banned from anywhere you went, I think you will be banned from society next time...

[erolz]

Religion should definately be criticized, Christianity has been for centuries, why not Islam? Is it fear of being killed?

I, and anyone else on this Planet can criticize any religion we want, we will not be scared by the hatchet men of Allah who butchered Theo Van Gogh.

You simply have no ability to be 'balanced' and as such your critisims are of little value. You think christianity has been critisied for centuries and Islam not - yet this is so obviously another one of your herculeain false assumptions used to support your pre defined views.
There are nutters of all religions. There are christian nutters as well as Islamic nutters. You however only see Islamic nutters because this is what you want to see.

[Turkey (( *]

Forget it Erol, he is too ...... to understand our replies, don't hold your breath. He is not worth replying.

[ChomskyFan]

Religion should definately be criticized, Christianity has been for centuries, why not Islam? Is it fear of being killed?

I, and anyone else on this Planet can criticize any religion we want, we will not be scared by the hatchet men of Allah who butchered Theo Van Gogh.

You simply have no ability to be 'balanced' and as such your critisims are of little value. You think christianity has been critisied for centuries and Islam not - yet this is so obviously another one of your herculeain false assumptions used to support your pre defined views.

Explain to me how one can be 'balanced' about such verses:

Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, beleaguer them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

Qur’an 33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”

Qur’an 59:2 “It was Allah who drove the [Jewish] People of the Book from their homes and into exile. They refused to believe and imagined that their strongholds would protect them against Allah. But Allah came at them from where they did not suspect, and filled their hearts with terror. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson, O men who have eyes. This is My warning…they shall taste the torment of Fire.”

Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’”

Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”

Bukhari:V4B52N260 “Ali burnt some [former Muslims alive] and this news reached Ibn Abbas, who said, ‘Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, “Don’t punish with Allah’s Punishment.” No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, “If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him.”’”

Ishaq:595 “The Apostle said, ‘Get him away from me and cut off his tongue.””

Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Want more?

There are nutters of all religions. There are christian nutters as well as Islamic nutters. You however only see Islamic nutters because this is what you want to see.

Listen Erolz, I am not some guillible Westerner who will believe anything the lying Mullahs throw my way, or lying Islamists say. I know Islam inside out, I know the evil that resides within that holy book. I know how Mohammed calved out an Empire for himself, it was through treachery, deceit and in many cases, ethnic cleansing. I will fight against lies and deceits, I will struggle against the mud slinging, because I know once Islam becomes dominant the whole system will fall apart. The Western countries will become unproductive and poor and there would be no money to support the social safety net, and moreover, The World will simply fall to it's knees, Islam will reign supreme and we will back to Square one, back in the 7th Century.

The Media is lying to people. The politicians lie to them. They all claim that Islam is a religion of peace, that it offers stability and sense of direction; that the terrorists have hijacked the peaceful Islam which is a “beautiful religion”. They interview and publish the Islamist apologists who lie to promote their faith. The Islamists spend millions of dollars advertising and promoting their cult by projecting a very deceptive image of Islam. Yet, no one is even listening to the voices coming from those who know the real Islam and try to warn the world of its danger. These voices of opposition are often silenced and the critics are labeled as racists and Islamophobes. They are accused of inciting religious hatred. If a radio producer or a journalist dares to say a word against Islam, the Islamists rally and flood that radio or newspaper demanding resignation and apology and write to their advertisers asking them to boycott them.

The difference between Islamic and Christian nutters is that Christian nutters are doing things contrary to what is taught in the New Testament - Go and read the Sermon on the Mount, you will find nothing like that in the Quran - All you will find in the Quran is the inane ramblings of a madman who wanted to conquer to Earth and force everyone to adopt his way of life, I offer you another chance at a debate, "Is Islam really a Religion of Peace?" You can have it moderated by a moderator of your choosing if you wish, I have nothing to fear, the Quran speaks for itself. There is a kernel of goodness in Christianity, there is nothing good in Islam, if you live Christianity to it's fullest implications you can become a Mother Theresa, if you live Islam to it's fullest implications you can become a Khomeini or Bin Laden. I will not allow you to lie to people Erolz, what Mohammed's Allah does to people is pure evil, he cannot be God, Allah is the figment of Mohammed's sick mind, he invented this deity to control you. How can you allow a dead man whose cadaver was putrefied over a millenia ago and is eaten by worms to fool you to this extent? This must be shamefully embarrassing. How can any intelligent person believe in such an idiot? The stories of the Quran are foolish. It is time that the Muslims wake up and put an end to this insanity. Don’t try to explain off and justify them. It just makes you look miserable and fool. You are not a fool. You don’t deserve this much humiliation. You are a relatively intelligent man, dont become an advocate and an apologist of a rapist and thief.

[Turkey (( *]

Forget it Erol, he is too ...... to understand our replies, don't hold your breath. He is not worth replying.

[erolz]

Again you totaly fail to understand the point I make. I will not get into any detailed discussion with you about the merits of different religions because you are incapable of rational and balanced analysis. Your hatred blinds you and is clear in all your posts on the subject.

The difference between Islamic and Christian nutters is that Christian nutters are doing things contrary to what is taught in the New Testament -

So the old testement is to be ignored? Convenient, to someone who wishish to make no balanced analysis. What do you make of Noam Chomsky's quote

"The Bible is one of the most genocidal books in history." ?

if you live Christianity to it's fullest implications you can become a Mother Theresa,

This would the mother Teresa that Mr Hitchens (whos opinion you seem to value when he writes about Cyprus) has attacked and critised ?

"I discovered that she had taken money from rich dictators like the Duvalier gang in Haiti, had been a friend of poverty rather than a friend of the poor, had never given any account of the huge sums of money donated to her, had railed against birth-control in the most overpopulated city on the planet and had been the spokeswoman for the most extreme dogmas of religious fundamentalism."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/pa ... teid=50143

I will not allow you to lie to people Erolz,

I do not lie. Your accusations are themselves a lie. You constantly make unspported allegations and then refused to show any evidence for them, even when proof of your lies is shown to you in black and white.

You are a relatively intelligent man, dont become an advocate and an apologist of a rapist and thief.

My intelligence and your views on it are irrelevant.

Let me be perfectly clear here. I am not an advocate of any religion. I am an advocate of reasonablness, fairness, critical and logical analysis. I am an oponent of fanatisim, extremisim, liers and people driven by hatred. In short I am an oponent of you.

You lie shamelessly. You show no ability to be balanced, to be able to see both sides of an issue. You distort and pervert the works of others. You repeatedly make unsupportable claims. Hatred drips from the majority of your posts.

[Turkey (( *]

Again you totaly fail to understand the point I make. I will not get into any detailed discussion with you about the merits of different religions because you are incapable of rational and balanced analysis. Your hatred blinds you and is clear in all your posts on the subject.

The difference between Islamic and Christian nutters is that Christian nutters are doing things contrary to what is taught in the New Testament -

So the old testement is to be ignored? Convenient, to someone who wishish to make no balanced analysis. What do you make of Noam Chomsky's quote

"The Bible is one of the most genocidal books in history." ?

if you live Christianity to it's fullest implications you can become a Mother Theresa,

This would the mother Teresa that Mr Hitchens (whos opinion you seem to value when he writes about Cyprus) has attacked and critised ?

"I discovered that she had taken money from rich dictators like the Duvalier gang in Haiti, had been a friend of poverty rather than a friend of the poor, had never given any account of the huge sums of money donated to her, had railed against birth-control in the most overpopulated city on the planet and had been the spokeswoman for the most extreme dogmas of religious fundamentalism."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/pa ... teid=50143

I will not allow you to lie to people Erolz,

I do not lie. Your accusations are themselves a lie. You constantly make unspported allegations and then refused to show any evidence for them, even when proof of your lies is shown to you in black and white.

You are a relatively intelligent man, dont become an advocate and an apologist of a rapist and thief.

My intelligence and your views on it are irrelevant.

Let me be perfectly clear here. I am not an advocate of any religion. I am an advocate of reasonablness, fairness, critical and logical analysis. I am an oponent of fanatisim, extremisim, liers and people driven by hatred. In short I am an oponent of you.

You lie shamelessly. You show no ability to be balanced, to be able to see both sides of an issue. You distort and pervert the works of others. You repeatedly make unsupportable claims. Hatred drips from the majority of your posts.

DAMN bravo!!! Erol, you have just written my feelings!!!