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[runaway]

Certainly not "Turkey"!

As long as Turkey occupies Cyprus - its other occupations will remain highlighted here, also!

try harder. You pick armenians or kurds? We all trust your deep knowledge of history come on.

But, you have not convinced me that Turkey has any right to interfere, let alone claim it as their own.

Since you pulled this place out of a hat: firstly, show me why "Turkey" has any ancestral claim to this place.

Then we can weigh up whether Georgians, Armenians or even Greeks have more claim - perhaps all three Christian countries can happily form an alliance!

I would like to hand over Kars to its rightful owners. Tell me who that will be

So you acknowledge that "Kars" needs to be handed over, by "Turkey" to its rightful owners!

Wonderful progress!

We have your word on this that "Kars" is NOT "Turkish".

you told us kars was armenian, then kurdish, and then armenian again, and then kurdish. Lady just tell us the rightful owner of Kars????

Kindly tell me where I made such decisions for other people?

You said Kurds were rightful owners of Eastern Türkiye. You had also said Armenians were rightful owners of Eastern Türkiye. Can't be both. Just pick one of them and be consistent in your next 100.000 threads. Tell us which one you've picked.

[Me Ed]

Certainly not "Turkey"!

As long as Turkey occupies Cyprus - its other occupations will remain highlighted here, also!

try harder. You pick armenians or kurds? We all trust your deep knowledge of history come on.

But, you have not convinced me that Turkey has any right to interfere, let alone claim it as their own.

Since you pulled this place out of a hat: firstly, show me why "Turkey" has any ancestral claim to this place.

Then we can weigh up whether Georgians, Armenians or even Greeks have more claim - perhaps all three Christian countries can happily form an alliance!

I would like to hand over Kars to its rightful owners. Tell me who that will be

So you acknowledge that "Kars" needs to be handed over, by "Turkey" to its rightful owners!

Wonderful progress!

We have your word on this that "Kars" is NOT "Turkish".

you told us kars was armenian, then kurdish, and then armenian again, and then kurdish. Lady just tell us the rightful owner of Kars????

Kindly tell me where I made such decisions for other people?

You said Kurds were rightful owners of Eastern Türkiye. You had also said Armenians were rightful owners of Eastern Türkiye. Can't be both. Just pick one of them and be consistent in your next 100.000 threads. Tell us which one you've picked.

Oh man, that's too easy - the north east (including Kars) is Armenian, the south east is Kurdish.

At the very least, even runaway acknowledges its not Turkish.

[denizaksulu]

We have to accept that the Armenians were the first (of the two Kurd/Arm) to inhabit vast areas of eastern Anatolia. I believe Armenia was the first Christian Kingdom. When the Turkic tribes began pouring into Anatolia, Armenia was part of the Byzantine Empire.
We also know that the Kurds were nomadic peoples right up to the beginning of the 20th Century. Often crossing borders between Iran, Iraq and Turkey. They were quick to cross into Iran or Iraq especially tax collecting periods. This usually ended in a lot of strife among the peoples living in the area. At the beginningof the 20th century they began to settle as the borders became more tight.

Now 'Carry On'.

[runaway]

Certainly not "Turkey"!

As long as Turkey occupies Cyprus - its other occupations will remain highlighted here, also!

try harder. You pick armenians or kurds? We all trust your deep knowledge of history come on.

But, you have not convinced me that Turkey has any right to interfere, let alone claim it as their own.

Since you pulled this place out of a hat: firstly, show me why "Turkey" has any ancestral claim to this place.

Then we can weigh up whether Georgians, Armenians or even Greeks have more claim - perhaps all three Christian countries can happily form an alliance!

I would like to hand over Kars to its rightful owners. Tell me who that will be

So you acknowledge that "Kars" needs to be handed over, by "Turkey" to its rightful owners!

Wonderful progress!

We have your word on this that "Kars" is NOT "Turkish".

you told us kars was armenian, then kurdish, and then armenian again, and then kurdish. Lady just tell us the rightful owner of Kars????

Kindly tell me where I made such decisions for other people?

You said Kurds were rightful owners of Eastern Türkiye. You had also said Armenians were rightful owners of Eastern Türkiye. Can't be both. Just pick one of them and be consistent in your next 100.000 threads. Tell us which one you've picked.

Oh man, that's too easy - the north east (including Kars) is Armenian, the south east is Kurdish.

At the very least, even runaway acknowledges its not Turkish.

But PKK claims Kars is theirs so you tell me they are invaders now? And O. is supporting invaders????? south shitriot hypocrisy at its max!

[Me Ed]

Certainly not "Turkey"!

As long as Turkey occupies Cyprus - its other occupations will remain highlighted here, also!

try harder. You pick armenians or kurds? We all trust your deep knowledge of history come on.

But, you have not convinced me that Turkey has any right to interfere, let alone claim it as their own.

Since you pulled this place out of a hat: firstly, show me why "Turkey" has any ancestral claim to this place.

Then we can weigh up whether Georgians, Armenians or even Greeks have more claim - perhaps all three Christian countries can happily form an alliance!

I would like to hand over Kars to its rightful owners. Tell me who that will be

So you acknowledge that "Kars" needs to be handed over, by "Turkey" to its rightful owners!

Wonderful progress!

We have your word on this that "Kars" is NOT "Turkish".

you told us kars was armenian, then kurdish, and then armenian again, and then kurdish. Lady just tell us the rightful owner of Kars????

Kindly tell me where I made such decisions for other people?

You said Kurds were rightful owners of Eastern Türkiye. You had also said Armenians were rightful owners of Eastern Türkiye. Can't be both. Just pick one of them and be consistent in your next 100.000 threads. Tell us which one you've picked.

Oh man, that's too easy - the north east (including Kars) is Armenian, the south east is Kurdish.

At the very least, even runaway acknowledges its not Turkish.

But PKK claims Kars is theirs so you tell me they are invaders now? And O. is supporting invaders????? south shitriot hypocrisy at its max!

If you study the history of the region, Kars is pure Armenian.

[runaway]

Certainly not "Turkey"!

As long as Turkey occupies Cyprus - its other occupations will remain highlighted here, also!

try harder. You pick armenians or kurds? We all trust your deep knowledge of history come on.

But, you have not convinced me that Turkey has any right to interfere, let alone claim it as their own.

Since you pulled this place out of a hat: firstly, show me why "Turkey" has any ancestral claim to this place.

Then we can weigh up whether Georgians, Armenians or even Greeks have more claim - perhaps all three Christian countries can happily form an alliance!

I would like to hand over Kars to its rightful owners. Tell me who that will be

So you acknowledge that "Kars" needs to be handed over, by "Turkey" to its rightful owners!

Wonderful progress!

We have your word on this that "Kars" is NOT "Turkish".

you told us kars was armenian, then kurdish, and then armenian again, and then kurdish. Lady just tell us the rightful owner of Kars????

Kindly tell me where I made such decisions for other people?

You said Kurds were rightful owners of Eastern Türkiye. You had also said Armenians were rightful owners of Eastern Türkiye. Can't be both. Just pick one of them and be consistent in your next 100.000 threads. Tell us which one you've picked.

Oh man, that's too easy - the north east (including Kars) is Armenian, the south east is Kurdish.

At the very least, even runaway acknowledges its not Turkish.

But PKK claims Kars is theirs so you tell me they are invaders now? And O. is supporting invaders????? south shitriot hypocrisy at its max!

If you study the history of the region, Kars is pure Armenian.

But PKK claims Kars is theirs so you tell me they are invaders now? And O. is supporting invaders????? south shitriot hypocrisy at its max!

[Oracle]

Certainly not "Turkey"!

As long as Turkey occupies Cyprus - its other occupations will remain highlighted here, also!

try harder. You pick armenians or kurds? We all trust your deep knowledge of history come on.

But, you have not convinced me that Turkey has any right to interfere, let alone claim it as their own.

Since you pulled this place out of a hat: firstly, show me why "Turkey" has any ancestral claim to this place.

Then we can weigh up whether Georgians, Armenians or even Greeks have more claim - perhaps all three Christian countries can happily form an alliance!

I would like to hand over Kars to its rightful owners. Tell me who that will be

So you acknowledge that "Kars" needs to be handed over, by "Turkey" to its rightful owners!

Wonderful progress!

We have your word on this that "Kars" is NOT "Turkish".

you told us kars was armenian, then kurdish, and then armenian again, and then kurdish. Lady just tell us the rightful owner of Kars????

Kindly tell me where I made such decisions for other people?

You said Kurds were rightful owners of Eastern Türkiye. You had also said Armenians were rightful owners of Eastern Türkiye. Can't be both. Just pick one of them and be consistent in your next 100.000 threads. Tell us which one you've picked.

In you imagination!

All I want is for "Turkey" to be split up back to its pre-Byzantine times (I posted you a map) and the rightful owners can help themselves. We, the Greeks, know what is ours and you did not dispute it - Asia Minor. You did not dispute that "Kars" does not belong to "Turkey" also (although, it was you who brought up Kars, not I). So frankly, I do not see what our problem is other than for you to have a parting shot as to who gets what! Minor ....

[supporttheunderdog]

It is totally moronic to talk about purity of race, for globalisation has swept away for good the ideological fortresses of the nationalists. Also, anthropometry, DNA science and linguistic research have ridiculed all nationalists and chauvinists who have seen their false believes crumble like paper towers.

Here, Here! The only purity I think one can accept is that of the entire Human Species. DNA studies show we are all a mix. Ultimately we are all human, some good, some bad, but the goodness or badness does NOT arise because one is English, British, Turkish, Greek, Cypriot, Israeli, Jewish, Russian, Chinese, etc, etc, or because one belongs to a particular clade of a particular Haplogroup, and where no one ethnic group, however one defines it, is any way essentially superior to any other.

That is also why I tend to define being a Cypriot in terms of legally being a citizen of Cyprus according to the terms of the 1959 agreements and 1960 Constitution and the laws of the ROC and reject the ultra-nationalism of some, who want to throw people who are legally Cypriot out of Cyprus on specious grounds of race, particularly as also in any event at the very microscopic level one might have a problem discerning any obvious significant genetic differences in the origins of most Cypriots, whether Greek Speaking or Turkish speaking. It is why I also reject Enosis and Takism, particularly where based on alleged Historical links to either Greece or Turkey.

As for studies:

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_ ... oups.shtml

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1390250

I also came across and October 2007 Post from Phoenix which made interesting reading.

[runaway]

Certainly not "Turkey"!

As long as Turkey occupies Cyprus - its other occupations will remain highlighted here, also!

try harder. You pick armenians or kurds? We all trust your deep knowledge of history come on.

But, you have not convinced me that Turkey has any right to interfere, let alone claim it as their own.

Since you pulled this place out of a hat: firstly, show me why "Turkey" has any ancestral claim to this place.

Then we can weigh up whether Georgians, Armenians or even Greeks have more claim - perhaps all three Christian countries can happily form an alliance!

I would like to hand over Kars to its rightful owners. Tell me who that will be

So you acknowledge that "Kars" needs to be handed over, by "Turkey" to its rightful owners!

Wonderful progress!

We have your word on this that "Kars" is NOT "Turkish".

you told us kars was armenian, then kurdish, and then armenian again, and then kurdish. Lady just tell us the rightful owner of Kars????

Kindly tell me where I made such decisions for other people?

You said Kurds were rightful owners of Eastern Türkiye. You had also said Armenians were rightful owners of Eastern Türkiye. Can't be both. Just pick one of them and be consistent in your next 100.000 threads. Tell us which one you've picked.

In you imagination!

All I want is for "Turkey" to be split up back to its pre-Byzantine times (I posted you a map) and the rightful owners can help themselves. We, the Greeks, know what is ours and you did not dispute it - Asia Minor. You did not dispute that "Kars" does not belong to "Turkey" also (although, it was you who brought up Kars, not I). So frankly, I do not see what our problem is other than for you to have a parting shot as to who gets what! Minor ....

lady your mask is down. you have NO idea about the who owns what and you are filling the forum with hundreds of junk threads. I declare you the desperate attention seeker forumer.

[Oracle]

It's not often I find myself sympathizing with Oracle (Deniz is usually the ONLY voice of reason around here) but this time I have to admit, I think you make a valid point. I think runaway is right to point out that this isn't strictly relevant to a Cyprus forum, but it's highly amusing, for the grammar in the pathetic insults hurled at Oracle if nothing else ('you fucking basterd' tickled especially). Runaway and others, I think that to deny that Armenians and Kurds have a right to self-rule and land restitution is a dangerously illogical leap and one that undermines the validity of nation states altogether - and seeing as for the last century Turkey has been desparately trying to convince the world that it is a Western-style nation state willing to do anything to be able play with the big boys, a highly inconsistent one.

Nice!