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[All4114All]

If BBF was ever under serious consideration, it should now be relegated to the past along with all those other proposals, plans and experiments.

Since the WHOLE of Cyprus is in the EU now, we should be aiming for a unitary state, with a single sovereignty, which is what I thought Christofias was negotiating for us.

Cyprus is too small for BBF; we have federal structure within the EU which is a place it could work, due to its size. Perhaps Turkey can consider BBF for itself and give the Kurds and Greeks their own federal states!

thats what he says over and over again that he is talking for... we accept no bbf/partition plans..

he wont make it a second term with president if thats what he really talks for bbf imishi mu.. what rubbish

Im almost ready to place a bet he will not make it second term, because if he does it means Talat if he runs again and wins will be able to negotiate where he left off with Mr Christofas. No one wants that to happen do they when they were so close?

[humanist]

piratis

Hardly any GC wants a federation. Even Christofias himself said many times that federation is something we are forced to negotiate due to the occupation of the north part of our island by Turkey. So I doubt you are correctly quoting Christofias.

Probably the term he used is "accept" not "want". In that case the answer is again simple: We accept a federation where the territory under TC admin will be no more than 18%, where all Settlers will return to Turkey, where all refugees will have the right to return to their properties, and where the human and democratic rights of the Cypriot people are respected. This is the kind of federation that GCs accept (and this is what Makarios accepted as well).

If by "federation" you mean something similar to the annan plan, we already said in the most clear and direct way that such thing is utterly unacceptable.

Mate I like the way you think and the way that you express yourself. Well said ...........

[Oracle]

From one of Christofias' speeches in September:

After 1977, the Security Council through its Resolutions endorsed the evolution of the Republic of Cyprus into a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation with political equality, defined not as numerical equality but as effective participation of both communities in all organs of government; the united federal state would be one, with one single sovereignty, a single citizenship and a single international personality. The federal state would respect fundamental human rights and basic freedoms in accordance with UN Security Council Resolutions. The principles and values of the European Union would also be observed.

[Afroasiatis]

the united federal state would be one, with one single sovereignty, a single citizenship and a single international personality.

This was anyway the basis of negotiations, which was agreed between Christofias and Talat, isn't that right?

[lovernomore]

piratis

Hardly any GC wants a federation. Even Christofias himself said many times that federation is something we are forced to negotiate due to the occupation of the north part of our island by Turkey. So I doubt you are correctly quoting Christofias.

Probably the term he used is "accept" not "want". In that case the answer is again simple: We accept a federation where the territory under TC admin will be no more than 18%, where all Settlers will return to Turkey, where all refugees will have the right to return to their properties, and where the human and democratic rights of the Cypriot people are respected. This is the kind of federation that GCs accept (and this is what Makarios accepted as well).

If by "federation" you mean something similar to the annan plan, we already said in the most clear and direct way that such thing is utterly unacceptable.

Mate I like the way you think and the way that you express yourself. Well said ...........

Thats all he does, THINK. What he thinks and what will ultimately be a final settlement are miles apart. You will all cry rivers when this is all over. Some idiots talk about "balance of power", well, I'm no mathematician but my calculator gave a 14 digit figure when I tried calculating when this "balance of power" can be expected. So boys, looks like you truly messed up with your ENOSIS plans

[denizaksulu]

no it wouldent work like that.... because then greece could send over a few million also if turkey where to do that.. 2 million? where would you even put them? there is not even enough space for 1 million in the north

I wish you never said that Palio. Why do you think your new ally Israel is expanding. You invite trouble. That would be a true Zionist act (with a wee bit difference).

[Oracle]

the united federal state would be one, with one single sovereignty, a single citizenship and a single international personality.

This was anyway the basis of negotiations, which was agreed between Christofias and Talat, isn't that right?

I thought nothing was agreed until everything was agreed?

[Lit]

the united federal state would be one, with one single sovereignty, a single citizenship and a single international personality.

This was anyway the basis of negotiations, which was agreed between Christofias and Talat, isn't that right?

I thought nothing was agreed until everything was agreed?

Yep. Which is why they still continue to hold a whole city hostage. Only the Turks can get away with crimes like holding Varosha as a bargaining chip.

[DTA]

Those who don't want a federation should stand up as good Greeks and say it

Hardly any GC wants a federation. Even Christofias himself said many times that federation is something we are forced to negotiate due to the occupation of the north part of our island by Turkey. So I doubt you are correctly quoting Christofias.

Probably the term he used is "accept" not "want". In that case the answer is again simple: We accept a federation where the territory under TC admin will be no more than 18%, where all Settlers will return to Turkey, where all refugees will have the right to return to their properties, and where the human and democratic rights of the Cypriot people are respected. This is the kind of federation that GCs accept (and this is what Makarios accepted as well).

If by "federation" you mean something similar to the annan plan, we already said in the most clear and direct way that such thing is utterly unacceptable.

What you suggest the TC will never accept; we will go to war before except anything even in the region of your proposals.


What you and many right wing GCs fail to realise is that a BBf is a compromise for us as well. Therefore you must be realistic with your suggestions of a compromise.

We have our own state (although it is not internationally recognised) if you want us to give it up and unite cyprus under a bbf then what you are offering is laughable--------- what would be our reason for accepting that?

and if you start going on about the 200,000 refugees...... firstly it was 130,000 (70,000 were Tc fleeing from the south- where is their compensation by the way? - like the gcs have recieved?)

secondly the return of Maras (with almost 50,000 GC refugees) which has been offered since day 1) would bring the The refugees from the south and the GC refugees from the north almost up to parity

The GC refugees have been used as a political tool by the Roc it is time that right wingers stopped telling them lies and allowed them to receive compensation or repatriation to the north if they so wish via the IPC. Where is the TCs justice where is the IPC for TCs?

by the way why did you not answer my question in the other thread? does GR, DT, Millites, Bannoit Mr ed etc see cyprus as greek? or is only you and the other Greek right winger that habour such views?

[humanist]

It's a bit disappointing that we have not made more positive progress in this comprehensive round of talks. Perhaps the UN should lock the two leaders in a room and told em they ain't coming out till its solved lol