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Angela Merkel on Official visit to Cyprus

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Postby Lit » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:13 pm

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lovernomore wrote:How not to solve the Cyprus conflict

What prompted otherwise rather diplomatic, but nevertheless assertive, German Chancellor Angela Merkel to just this once throw caution to the wind and openly challenge Ankara whilst visiting the southern part of the divided island of Cyprus? Imagine someone else publicly criticizing Portugal’s government for not doing enough for its domestic economic recovery whilst visiting the Greek prime minister and you get the full picture.

One could argue that in an era of 24/7 communication and complex political dossiers being made available in an instant, a politician’s comments may be labeled gaffes by some analysts but in all likelihood are exactly the opposite, i.e., they are well-crafted statements aimed at achieving a particular outcome. Today’s speechwriters and spin doctors have all too well mastered the art of briefing their ministers in advance about the issues best avoided whilst on a foreign trip. So we may be forgiven for speculating over whether what the German chancellor said a few days ago upon the occasion of her whirlwind visit to the island’s capital city of Nicosia (in Greek), Lefkoşa (in Turkish) -- I am using both languages deliberately as in my opinion the city is a symbol of future unity, not of permanent division -- was indeed how she interprets the divided island.

According to German TV station ARD, Mrs. Merkel openly challenged Turkey by saying that while the south of Cyprus had shown a high level of engagment in finding a compromise solution, there was no reciprocity; according to the comment attributed to Mrs. Merkel, “missing reciprocity” is to be interpreted as Ankara’s lack of a will to find a compromise solution indeed.

The only gesture made by Mrs. Merkel vis-à-vis the peoples of the northern part of Cyprus was a brief discussion forum held at the local Goethe-Institut when young citizens from both the south and north were able to meet the chancellor.

If her visit was indeed intended to help facilitate a solution for the conflict, she could have listened to her Cypriot counterpart’s concerns whilst conveying the message that a unified Cyprus would be in the interest of all parties concerned, not least the EU, of which both the southern part of Cyprus and Germany are full members. On a future visit to Turkey she could then have listened to the Turkish arguments. Finally, German bilateral diplomacy could become German trilateral diplomacy, ultimately leading to having the EU -- perhaps even more so than the UN -- taking over the role of true permanent peace and unification mediator. Leading a formerly divided nation, Mrs. Merkel will have a lot to contribute to this debate.

But after Mrs. Merkel’s visit, I must ask the question of whether this reluctance to let the peoples of the north begin to enjoy hassle-free international trade and improved access to international infrastructure funds is indeed part of a wider plan by Brussels to, at least for the foreseeable future, keep the division in place?

Could it be that Brussels believes that Turkey will unilaterally give in to all EU demands with regards to the Cyprus conflict without receiving any serious EU accession confirmations or, even if only tentative, a potential accession date in return? The comments made by Mrs. Merkel will only reinforce this understandable hesitation here in Ankara. As cumbersome as it is, Turkey should reinforce just this once (more) its lobbying activities all over Europe, but should not shelve its recent proactive “zero problems with neighbors” efforts. One day a politically strong Turkey will join the EU or not -- much more advantageous than a politically weak Turkey joining or not joining the EU. When will Brussels finally listen?

Mrs. Merkel’s visit to Cyprus highlights another Brussels incongruity, much less so Ankara’s reluctance to play its part: Whilst two days ago Baroness Catherine Ashton came to Turkey representing the entire EU and its emerging common foreign policies, a leading member state of the same political institution visited another member state and openly challenged the willingness of an EU candidate country to find a solution to a certain regional conflict. If another public opinion survey is carried out tomorrow asking Turkish citizens the question, “According to your knowledge, who represents the EU’s foreign policies: Baroness Ashton or individual heads of state and government?” respondents would be forgiven for ticking the box “Don’t know.”

http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist-23 ... flict.html


Idiot, he knows so much about Cyprus that he consider Nicosia to be the Greek name of Lefkosia. :roll:


Nice catch, Gregory. :lol:
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Postby Lit » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:14 pm

http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/main/92, ... 6330-.aspx

NICOSIA - Turkey asks to be thanked for every wrongdoing, the Government Spokesman Stephanos Stephanou said in Nicosia, commenting on the Turkish Premier’s statements regarding Chancellor Merkel’s recent visit to Cyprus.

The office of the Federal Chancellor issued a press release, expressing Germany’s appreciation for the courage and creativity President Demetris Christofias displays in his effort to find a negotiated solution to the Cyprus problem.

Stephanou said, the positions expressed by the Chancellor’s office are on the right basis and reflect the reality concerning the ongoing negotiations.

“Turkey does not like being reminded of its illegal actions during 1974 in Cyprus, with the invasion, the occupation and the illegal settlement, the violation of the territorial integrity of the Republic of Cyprus, and its abuse of Cypriots’ human rights and basic liberties. Turkey asks to be thanked for every wrongdoing” Stephanou said.

The Government Spokesman concluded by saying that Turkey can help itself and its European ambitions, by adhering to the principles of the international community and international law.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:06 am

Turkey has every right (called security guarantee) to be here until a solution is found and agreed, to date we have no solution so how can you ask them to leave.
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Postby B25 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:31 am

Viewpoint wrote:Turkey has every right (called security guarantee) to be here until a solution is found and agreed, to date we have no solution so how can you ask them to leave.


Wrong, turkey has no right. She is an invader occupier and she should leave. NOW!

There is no legal basis for her presence. Even if you could justify her entry une the Treaty of guarantee, which you can't, she has long overstayed her welcome, which she was not.

So get over it, the invasion cotinues 36 years.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:52 am

B25 wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Turkey has every right (called security guarantee) to be here until a solution is found and agreed, to date we have no solution so how can you ask them to leave.


Wrong, turkey has no right. She is an invader occupier and she should leave. NOW!

There is no legal basis for her presence. Even if you could justify her entry une the Treaty of guarantee, which you can't, she has long overstayed her welcome, which she was not.

So get over it, the invasion cotinues 36 years.


No Solution = No TA departure = They have every right
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Postby Lit » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:24 am

Viewpoint wrote:Turkey has every right (called security guarantee) to be here until a solution is found and agreed, to date we have no solution so how can you ask them to leave.


I believe there is a reason why other countries do not accept this argument and recognize your breakaway State. Everyone today, apart from Turkey, recognizes that the Treaty of Guarantee gives the right to intervene and take action with the sole purpose of re-establishing the state of affairs. But as we can see from the aftermath of Turkey's invasion, it did not safeguard the RoC's sovereignty nor its territorial integrity. Turkey's invasion in fact had the opposite effect. That is why going forward...such a treaty can not exist because it was violated by a Guarantor power that is no longer trusted by a great majority of those who reside on this island.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:29 am

Viewpoint wrote:Turkey has every right (called security guarantee) to be here until a solution is found and agreed, to date we have no solution so how can you ask them to leave.

Their only right was...

…each the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs…

So quit reinventing history and making a fool of your self.
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Postby bill cobbett » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:47 am

Lit wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Turkey has every right (called security guarantee) to be here until a solution is found and agreed, to date we have no solution so how can you ask them to leave.


I believe there is a reason why other countries do not accept this argument and recognize your breakaway State. Everyone today, apart from Turkey, recognizes that the Treaty of Guarantee gives the right to intervene and take action with the sole purpose of re-establishing the state of affairs. But as we can see from the aftermath of Turkey's invasion, it did not safeguard the RoC's sovereignty nor its territorial integrity. Turkey's invasion in fact had the opposite effect. That is why going forward...such a treaty can not exist because it was violated by a Guarantor power that is no longer trusted by a great majority of those who reside on this island.


A reminder that we could very, very, very easily and very convincingly argue that the 1960 Treaty was violated by all three of the Guaranteed To Screw CY Guarantor UnHoly Alliance; Greece with the Coup, Turkey with Invasion and Annexation and GB through its continuing inaction and its on-going complicity in Turkish Annexation and Partition in the guise of what it calls again and again a "just and equitable settlement".

Can't think of a shittier, more screwed up Treaty.
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Postby ZoC » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:19 am

Viewpoint wrote:
B25 wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Turkey has every right (called security guarantee) to be here until a solution is found and agreed, to date we have no solution so how can you ask them to leave.


Wrong, turkey has no right. She is an invader occupier and she should leave. NOW!

There is no legal basis for her presence. Even if you could justify her entry une the Treaty of guarantee, which you can't, she has long overstayed her welcome, which she was not.

So get over it, the invasion cotinues 36 years.


No Solution = No TA departure = They have every right

= ur an ugly grinch...

and, since we're doing maths.... TA departure = solution = vp cops it.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:27 am

...woof, woof, vp.

say woof vp; good boy...
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