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[ZoC]

The negative events in the south would stirred bad feeling of the past would you still want these people to go to church in the north if you knew their lives were in danger or they would be threatened by a mob of 500+ in retaliation for the GCs actions???? I would never want to put them in that dangerous position.

ur full of shit. u said it was 'tit-for-tat' before. 'u slapped, u got slapped'. now ur saying it was for their own protection. mate, even the grinch don't have as much gall as u.

Do you know what tit for tat is?

ur questioning my command of the english language?

you do one thing we do another, although the reason which I am guessing was imo warranted it was in retaliation for what happened in the south.

play with this till u make up ur mind whether ur 'authorities' acted in retaliation against or protection of innocent elderly worshippers...

[repulsewarrior]

old people in a church for Christmas=young people at a soccer match

...oh yea, i forgot, all GC's are the same.

woof woof, vp.

[Oracle]

old people in a church for Christmas=young people at a soccer match

...oh yea, i forgot, all GC's are the same.

woof woof, vp.

A GC life extinguished, for touching a Turkish flag.

It all boils down to: One Turk = Six Billion others.

Therein lie our 'differences'. Perceptions of fairness.

[Gasman]

And the basketball team attacked for what? Nothing at all. The one thing everyone agreed on was that it was not provoked.

But I thought this tit for tat stuff was what you did best. He started it miss, or a big boy made me do it, he hit me first?

I see the call to close the crossings. From this side, the only ones affected will be the GCs - they probably won't let them in at all then. Whereas others will be able to fly there or take a ferry.

I can't see all the GC casino and sex punters voting for that one!

Oh and the carpetbaggers will probably be DELIGHTED. They'll probably feel much safer in their homes on GC land if the crossings close.

[DT.]

And the basketball team attacked for what? Nothing at all. The one thing everyone agreed on was that it was not provoked.

But I thought this tit for tat stuff was what you did best. He started it miss, or a big boy made me do it, he hit me first?

I see the call to close the crossings. From this side, the only ones affected will be the GCs - they probably won't let them in at all then. Whereas others will be able to fly there or take a ferry.

I can't see all the GC casino and sex punters voting for that one!

Oh and the carpetbaggers will probably be DELIGHTED. They'll probably feel much safer in their homes on GC land if the crossings close.

Nobody agreed that this was not provoked. We all agree that it was wrong but not unprovoked.

When apoel and anorthosis had gone to play football with trabzonspor the fans were pelted with everything that those maniacs brought with them into the stadium. Flag poles used as javelins, rocks, sticks you name it, it was thrown at them. The march of 100 kids around the stadium before the match with "trnc" flags should have been an indication of what was to follow.

[B25]

And the basketball team attacked for what? Nothing at all. The one thing everyone agreed on was that it was not provoked.

But I thought this tit for tat stuff was what you did best. He started it miss, or a big boy made me do it, he hit me first?

I see the call to close the crossings. From this side, the only ones affected will be the GCs - they probably won't let them in at all then. Whereas others will be able to fly there or take a ferry.

I can't see all the GC casino and sex punters voting for that one!

Oh and the carpetbaggers will probably be DELIGHTED. They'll probably feel much safer in their homes on GC land if the crossings close.

Your sarcastic and antagonistic remarks aside, are you saying that it serves the church goers at Christmas right, that they were prevented from celebration because of what the hooligans did??

bacuse the inference from your post is that you support such a move of the occupation regime. Sad if you do gassy.

[humanist]

VP am not going to get into your discussions because your repeating old stuff. What I would say in summary of your comments earlier ... is this .... if you and your regime like things as they are then stop wasting the UN's time and be clear with it so we know there is no will from the TC's for re unification then we can explore other options.

Bananiot don't assume that am an idiot by your responses to me. Firstly am aware of the fears faced by the TC's, secondly am very aware of political decisions shaping the future and that is why I disagree with a BBF solution because it perpetuates racism. I don't think its rights that the UN or the TC's impose restrictions on where people live. And that's just a small example. Further to this I disagree with you and your belief system that GC's fucked up in the past therefore we are going to gift Turkey with any part of Cyprus. Lastly I think even Turkey knows that this is not going to happen. She would have pursued this option if she did.

[Bananiot]

I do not understand your response humanist. For starters, what made you think that I consider you to be an idiot? Confused perhaps, idiot I do not think so. From your presence in the forum all this time I have formulated an opinion of you as a decent and sincere chap. It is quite okay for two people to disagree on various issues and all I pointed out is the fact that we have reached a point (after much time has passed and a lot of blood shed) where solution is imminent in one form or the other. The best we can get (I also think it is not the ideal) is BBF and despite the fact that you or me do not want it, it is proposed by all the international institutions of the world. Your idea that it perpetuates racism is one we hear every day from the opponents of solution in Cyprus. They are the most reactionary forces in our community and among them are people who have played a leading role in getting us to this terrible situation. Basically they are the extreme right wingers and remnants of EOKA, EOKA B'.

As I wrote before, our two communities have been living apart since 1963 and for so many years there were conditions of total ethnic and territorial separation as well as a bloody conflict. Bizonality and bicommunality are the vehicles that will take us to a federal, united and peaceful Cyprus. Those that deny this have nothing practical or feasible to propose and have resorted to blatant lies in order to block solution. Their lies focus on BBF which they have branded as a racist solution and I would be happy to go along with this if these people were sincere.

Humanist, they are liars and vagabonds, for they do not call for one, unitary Cypriot ethnicity for all citizens of Cyprus but are calling for the two communities to retain their ethnic difference and perhaps enhance them. How can a unitary Cyprus emerge, if it is based on two distinctively different communities? Only in the sick and "clever" mind of the nationalists this can brew but, you need to remember that these people have a secret, ugly agenda. This is the only reason I excuse GR for all his stupidity because he proposes a solution which entails a unitary state which will be cemented around cypriotism. This is a fair alternative and I would go hell bent for it, had I considered that it had even a small probability of success.

[repulsewarrior]

...i have taken the position that BBF can be defined in a manner where it is not racist but useful to the rest of mankind. the idea of a "Nation State" is hard to pursue when the mobility of people includes the movement over continents rather than countries. Cyprus, and Cypriots, have committed themselves to the rest of Mankind, and our responsibility is to demonstrate a working solution toward defining the Rights of Individuals and separate to that, Persons.

i dare anyone to read my manifesto and point out its racist indications.

and, Bicommunal does not mean two governments which are mutually exclusive. it does not even mean two levels of government which are mutually exclusive. it does however mean that we will live in a Unitary State which is neither "Greek" or "Turkish", but it also means that equal Constituent States, having a Jurisdiction to collect taxes and provide services its electors will exist, where as majorities they will have to represent themselves with a recognition and respect for the minorities which live amongst them. No "Zone" will be the exclusive domain of one ethnicity or the other. However, people who reside in a "zone" will accept that a service will be provided firstly as a majority which is sustaining its identity in a manner where reciprocally they provide for the special needs of others.

read what has been agreed to so far, it is only one or two sentences, and carefully count the number of governing bodies...

[Lit]

Important reference on the interruption of the Christmas mass in the occupied areas in a Recommendation of PACE to the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe
28/01/2011

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/MOI/pio/pio.ns ... enDocument

The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) adopted, yesterday in Strasburg, a Recommendation to the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe, which includes an extremely important reference on the interruption of the celebration of Christmas mass in the occupied part of Cyprus on 25 December 2010. The Recommendation was adopted in the framework of the discussion, in the form of urgent, of the report by the Italian MP and President of the European People’s Party Mr Luca Volontè, on behalf of the Political Affairs Committee of the Assembly, under the title “Violence against Christians in the Middle East”.

Specifically, in paragraph 13 of the Recommendation PACE calls on Turkey to clarify fully the circumstances surrounding the interruption of the celebration of Christmas mass in the villages of Rizokarpaso and Ayia Triada in the northern part of Cyprus and to bring to justice those responsible. In the specific paragraph, there is also a reference to the adoption by the European Parliament, on 20 January 2011, of a Resolution on the situation of Christians in the context of freedom of religion.

As it was expected, this paragraph caused the intense reaction of the Turkish delegation, the Chairperson of which tried, both in the Assembly and during the relevant discussion that followed in the plenary, to pass a relevant amendment, calling for the elimination of the specific paragraph, by putting forward, inter alia, as an argument the claim that no form of violence was exercised when the “unfortunate”, in his words, incident happened on 25 December 2010 in the village of Rizokarpaso, as in the case of the attacks against Christians in Egypt.

Refuting this argument, the President of the Committee of Legal and Human Rights of PACE, MP Christos Pourgourides, stressed, inter alia, that the fact and only that armed men of the Security Forces, in the presence of Turkish soldiers, forced the elder priest to remove his vestments and ordered people to leave the church, on the day of the greatest celebration of Christianity, proves indisputably that a form of violence was exercised. The amendment of the Turkish MPs was put to the vote and was rejected, and then the Recommendation was adopted with an overwhelming majority by the members of the Assembly.

This fact caused the intense discontent of the Turkish delegation since the specific reference clearly confirms, once again, that Turkey is exclusively responsible for what is happening in the occupied areas.

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