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What do the Brits think about this?

Feel free to talk about anything that you want.

Do you agree with this: No Marbles; No Flame!

I'm a Brit and I agree
6
24%
I'm not a Brit and I agree
4
16%
I'm a Brit and I DON'T agree
10
40%
I'm not a Brit and I DON'T agree
5
20%
 
Total votes : 25

Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:40 pm

mountainman wrote:What does 'immeasurable contribution' mean?

I suspect it means that the contribution is so small that it cannot be measured.


Trouble with Mathematics?

Perhaps a counting course from the legacies of these fine folk might help ...


Theon of Alexandria
Anaxagoras
Anthemius of Tralles
Antiphon
Apollonius of Perga
Archimedes
Archytas
Aristaeus the Elder
Aristarchus of Samos
Aristotle
Asclepius of Tralles
Meton of Athens
Attalus of Rhodes
Autolycus of Pitane
Bion of Abdera
Bryson of Heraclea
Callippus
Carpus of Antioch
Chrysippus
Cleomedes
Conon of Samos
Ctesibius
Democritus
Dicaearchus
Dinostratus
Diocles
Dionysodorus
Diophantus
Domninus of Larissa
Eratosthenes
Euclid
Eudoxus of Cnidus
Eutocius of Ascalon
Geminus
Heliodorus of Larissa
Hero of Alexandria
Hipparchus
Hippasus
Hippias
Hippocrates of Chios
Hypatia
Hypsicles
Leodamas of Thasos
Marinus of Neapolis
Melissa
Menaechmus
Menelaus of Alexandria
Metrodorus
Nicomachus
Nicomedes
Nicoteles of Cyrene
Oenopides
Pappus of Alexandria
Perseus
Philolaus
Philon
Philonides of Laodicea
Polyaenus of Lampsacus
Posidonius
Proclus
Ptolemy
Pythagoras
Serenus of Antinouplis
Simplicius of Cilicia
Sporus of Nicaea
Thales
Theaetetus
Theano
Themistoclea
Theodorus of Cyrene
Theodosius of Bithynia
Theon of Smyrna
Theudius
Thymaridas
Xenocrates
Zenodorus
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Re: What do the Brits think about this?

Postby georgios100 » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:59 pm

Oracle wrote:Would you support a boycott of the 2012 Olympic Games, in London, conditional upon the return of the Parthenon Marbles?

No Marbles No Flame - 2012 London Olympic Games

A clash of cultures? Or the rightful use of Classical Culture to restore the culture of the classics?

:D


The Brits keep refusing to return the marbles and clear off the SBA's from Cyprus.

Here is how the Cypriots respond...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdA-y6J- ... 6&index=50
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Postby Lee A Kada » Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:02 pm

There are not enough options in this poll. Where are:

I am a Brit and I don't give a shit

and

I am not a Brit and I don't give a shit


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Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:06 pm

Lee A Kada wrote:There are not enough options in this poll. Where are:

I am a Brit and I don't give a shit

and

I am not a Brit and I don't give a shit


:?


I don't give a shit about heathens! :D

Move along ...
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Postby mountainman » Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:30 am

So it seems that if it wasn't for ancient Greek scholars our world today wouldn't be what it is.

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Postby Oracle » Fri Dec 24, 2010 2:24 pm

mountainman wrote:So it seems that if it wasn't for ancient Greek scholars our world today wouldn't be what it is.

:roll:


How did you come to that conclusion? What is "your world" like?
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Postby Oracle » Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:21 pm

I see we have twice as many Brits siding with Elgin the Vandal as opposed to Byron the enlightened one.

" ... men who never felt the sacred glow."

Edit:

I suppose, the 13 votes which don't agree the flame should be denied is a reflection on how much the Olympics are valued. :D
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Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:23 pm

Oracle wrote:I see we have twice as many Brits siding with Elgin the Vandal as opposed to Byron the enlightened one.



IMHO There is a minor problem with the above sentence and that is that the idea of the modern Olympics and with it the flame, and thus the prosepct of the flame being with-held, did not come about until long after both Elgin and Byron were dead.

Now it follows from this that whatever their views on the return of the marbles, neither of them were ever in a position to express any opinion (say through your poll) linking the return of marbles to withholding the flame, so logically no one voting in your poll can therefore be supporting a position neither Byron nor Elgin could have adopted.
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Re: What do the Brits think about this?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:25 pm

georgios100 wrote:
Oracle wrote:Would you support a boycott of the 2012 Olympic Games, in London, conditional upon the return of the Parthenon Marbles?

No Marbles No Flame - 2012 London Olympic Games

A clash of cultures? Or the rightful use of Classical Culture to restore the culture of the classics?

:D


The Brits keep refusing to return the marbles and clear off the SBA's from Cyprus.

Here is how the Cypriots respond...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdA-y6J- ... 6&index=50


Talking through your arse??
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Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:41 pm

Oracle wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:If, as is indicated by some reliable sources, Lord Elgin did not properly puchase the marbles then they should of course be returned to Greece.

If however they were properly bought and paid for then, IMHO there is no obligation to return them.


I think the Museum Director should consider this in terms similar to the Orams' case. The Turks were occupying Greece and the artifacts were not theirs to sell - just like the GC homes in the north, presently.

Eventually this may have to be taken to the Courts, where precedent has been set. But it would be nice to transfer them back wilfully and amicably since it is High Culture we are dealing with. :D


There is a subtle difference, and that is at the time the Marbles were removed the Ottomans were considered to constitute the lawful rulers of Greece and (presumably) the lawful owners of the Parthenon, as opposed to the position in the TRNC which is not internationally recognised.

For the avoidance of doubt I think the Orams got what they deserved in the RoC and the UK courts. IMHO All Cypriot Citizens as entitled to Citizenship by virtue of the 1959 agreements, the 1960 constitution, and the laws of the ROC (whether they speak Turkish or Greek, are Maronite, or Armenian) who were forced to flee from their homes as as result of the violence and/or invasions in the period say 1956 to 1974 should (with certain very limited exceptions) be entitled to the return of their property in whatever part of the island it may be.
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