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[Oracle]

We've discussed before, on the forum, how the "Istanbul Pogrom" kick-started the whole "inter-communal" thing. It's always the case that external forces act to damage Cyprus.

It's no wonder, then, that this whole cataclysm was started by Turkey IN Turkey!

Yup, September 1955, Istanbul ... is probably the earliest recorded incident leading to direct TAKSIM!

Does anyone know of an earlier date by which Turks lit the fuse?

Bananiot failed!

[denizaksulu]

We've discussed before, on the forum, how the "Istanbul Pogrom" kick-started the whole "inter-communal" thing. It's always the case that external forces act to damage Cyprus.

It's no wonder, then, that this whole cataclysm was started by Turkey IN Turkey!

Yup, September 1955, Istanbul ... is probably the earliest recorded incident leading to direct TAKSIM!

Does anyone know of an earlier date by which Turks lit the fuse?

Bananiot failed!

Yep!!

Fatih Sultan Mehmet accidentally captured Byzantium in 1453 or was it earlier than that, like Manzikert/Malazgirt in 1071 when Romanus iv Diogenes was defeated by Alp Arslan? Vendetta is a nasty trait.

[Oracle]

We've discussed before, on the forum, how the "Istanbul Pogrom" kick-started the whole "inter-communal" thing. It's always the case that external forces act to damage Cyprus.

It's no wonder, then, that this whole cataclysm was started by Turkey IN Turkey!

Yup, September 1955, Istanbul ... is probably the earliest recorded incident leading to direct TAKSIM!

Does anyone know of an earlier date by which Turks lit the fuse?

Bananiot failed!

Yep!!

Fatih Sultan Mehmet accidentally captured Byzantium in 1453 or was it earlier than that, like Manzikert/Malazgirt in 1071 when Romanus iv Diogenes was defeated by Alp Arslan? Vendetta is a nasty trait.

I always know when the point has been made because some Turk comes along with a hyperbolic rant in an attempt to ridicule a sane idea!

[All4114All]

We've discussed before, on the forum, how the "Istanbul Pogrom" kick-started the whole "inter-communal" thing. It's always the case that external forces act to damage Cyprus.

It's no wonder, then, that this whole cataclysm was started by Turkey IN Turkey!

Yup, September 1955, Istanbul ... is probably the earliest recorded incident leading to direct TAKSIM!

Does anyone know of an earlier date by which Turks lit the fuse?

Bananiot failed!

Correct me if I am wrong but the 1955 Istanbul Pogrom was fueled by Greece applying to the UN in 1954 for self-determination of Cyprus (union with Greece) although Enosis can be traced back to 1931 on Cyprus.

Now September 1955 Istanbul Pogrom is correct but EOKA was born 1 April 1955. Nearly forgot I am sure there was a referendum in 1950 period where the church held a plebiscite strongly backing union with Greece.

Last but not least don't forget the Megali Idea 1832 was part of Cyprus and this was when Independence of Greece was established.

[Piratis]

We've discussed before, on the forum, how the "Istanbul Pogrom" kick-started the whole "inter-communal" thing. It's always the case that external forces act to damage Cyprus.

It's no wonder, then, that this whole cataclysm was started by Turkey IN Turkey!

Yup, September 1955, Istanbul ... is probably the earliest recorded incident leading to direct TAKSIM!

Does anyone know of an earlier date by which Turks lit the fuse?

Bananiot failed!

Correct me if I am wrong but the 1955 Istanbul Pogrom was fueled by Greece applying to the UN in 1954 for self-determination of Cyprus (union with Greece) although Enosis can be traced back to 1931 on Cyprus.

Now September 1955 Istanbul Pogrom is correct but EOKA was born 1 April 1955. Nearly forgot I am sure there was a referendum in 1950 period where the church held a plebiscite strongly backing union with Greece.

Last but not least don't forget the Megali Idea 1832 was part of Cyprus and this was when Independence of Greece was established.

And what exactly is wrong with the Greek lands being liberated from Ottoman/Turks or any other foreign Imperialist?

You think that because the Ottoman empire conquered our lands and that during their rule Muslim minorities were formed on Greek territories, that this meant Greeks should be indefinitely your slaves and have no right for their own free state that would include all Greek territories?

[Piratis]

We've discussed before, on the forum, how the "Istanbul Pogrom" kick-started the whole "inter-communal" thing. It's always the case that external forces act to damage Cyprus.

It's no wonder, then, that this whole cataclysm was started by Turkey IN Turkey!

Yup, September 1955, Istanbul ... is probably the earliest recorded incident leading to direct TAKSIM!

Does anyone know of an earlier date by which Turks lit the fuse?

Bananiot failed!

Yep!!

Fatih Sultan Mehmet accidentally captured Byzantium in 1453 or was it earlier than that, like Manzikert/Malazgirt in 1071 when Romanus iv Diogenes was defeated by Alp Arslan? Vendetta is a nasty trait.

History is a chain of events. If you want to play the "Who started it" game, then there is no way that you can win this game since indeed the Turks had started it by invading our lands and oppressing us. Beyond that, our struggle for the freedom of our lands was a natural and 100% justified reaction to the Turkish oppression, and not something we can be blamed for.

So do you want the problems that the Turks started to continue? Or will finally the Turks accept to end the problems they started, by finally stop looking for excuses to occupy our lands and violate our rights, and agreeing to have a free Cyprus ruled democratically by its own people?

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed, "Turkey" and "Greece" was the issue, today Mankind waits for Cypriots somehow to demostrate Universal Principals in a manner that ends for them the enmity of these two "Mothers", through their own form of self-representation, which in its qualities emulated by others, impossible to dismiss, having to be recognised; a large order but entirely possible because of the small population.

...for an end to our subjugation, not one, not two, and at least three governing bodies must exist. The "Bi" in Bicommunal means that each of us enjoy equally indentities as Persons as well as Individuals; a State and National Assemblies. Furthermore, Bizonal cannot mean tearing the island in two. The State is Sovereign, however territorial Jurisdictions island wide will provide for the greatest benefit to the greatest number of people.

...Turkey's desire for Takism, as a Cypriot, is far less attractive than Enosis with Greece, although one thing you can say about EOKAB was that they wanted to take the whole island. Neither matters mind you, thank goodness saner heads prevail who choose a Cyprus that is Sovereign and able, in representing themselves. I can't help repeating myself because simply put, i have not found a solution as clear as my own thinking (please read my manifesto); and somehow I think the Hope we have is in something Modern which elevates us as Humans, whether we are Greeks, or Turks, or others who have a Heritance here they care for.

Two hundred years from now, given our respect for scientific reasoning, Cyprus will be by definition a desert with a population many times higher than it is today, otherwise it is a wasteland covered again by the land; it is all a question of organisation.

What the History of our past teaches us is not limited to the wars of these two adversaries, Lest We Forget the real enemies, not against each other, but Hunger, Ignorance, Disaster, and Disease.

...21 December, 1963? it is there, along with other dates which proves an issue with a bigger perspective exists, not exclusive to one or the other; a shame if unrecognised we all deny.

It was refreshing to hear the President apologise, it would be even more astounding if on the remberance of this day a Turkish leader apologised too. this representation of Humanity would be greater.

[Oracle]

We've discussed before, on the forum, how the "Istanbul Pogrom" kick-started the whole "inter-communal" thing. It's always the case that external forces act to damage Cyprus.

It's no wonder, then, that this whole cataclysm was started by Turkey IN Turkey!

Yup, September 1955, Istanbul ... is probably the earliest recorded incident leading to direct TAKSIM!

Does anyone know of an earlier date by which Turks lit the fuse?

Bananiot failed!

Correct me if I am wrong but the 1955 Istanbul Pogrom was fueled by Greece applying to the UN in 1954 for self-determination of Cyprus (union with Greece) although Enosis can be traced back to 1931 on Cyprus.

What do you mean it was "fueled"? How can a non-violent application to the UN be "fuel" for violence such as seen at the pogrom? If that is so, then the onus for violent inter-communal problems is the violence of Turks, and not the peaceful request by Greeks! You are therefore admitting that the violence was started by Turks, since it is the violence we are discussing!

Now September 1955 Istanbul Pogrom is correct but EOKA was born 1 April 1955. Nearly forgot I am sure there was a referendum in 1950 period where the church held a plebiscite strongly backing union with Greece.

Again, you are legitimising violent reaction against peaceful progress requested by citizens. Therefore, again you admit the inter-communal violence was started by Turks against peaceful non-interventionist actions by Greek/Cypriot citizens.

Last but not least don't forget the Megali Idea 1832 was part of Cyprus and this was when Independence of Greece was established.

Yet again, you admit you find it an acceptable action to cause violence against anyone whose ideas you do not like. So again you show that the Turks start the violence against anything, ideas and existence by citizens, to which Turks object.


Three confirmations that the violence was first carried out by Turks against Greeks acting as normal, peaceful citizens, going through legitimate channels.


Here's some of the violence you propose as acceptable against minorities, merely because they are citizens in Turkey's path ...

[Bananiot]

Piratis

I already gave to Bananiot the facts about those events. Bananiot (as always) didn't say the whole truth about that event.

The whole truth is that 7 Greek Cypriots were shot and injured by TCs the day before. One of the injured was the priest of the village. This is what caused the reaction by the GCs.

The TC killed was not some unsuspecting villager, but a policeman of the British forces. Also 3 Greek Cypriots were murdered in Assia in those events, something which again Bananiot failed to mention in his story.

Very good Piratis. Now, let us clear one thing after the other. You have been saying all along (ad nauseum) that the intercommunal strife was started by the TC's in 1958. Have you now changed your mind on this? Are you now saying that it started in April/May 1956?

[Get Real!]

Piratis

I already gave to Bananiot the facts about those events. Bananiot (as always) didn't say the whole truth about that event.

The whole truth is that 7 Greek Cypriots were shot and injured by TCs the day before. One of the injured was the priest of the village. This is what caused the reaction by the GCs.

The TC killed was not some unsuspecting villager, but a policeman of the British forces. Also 3 Greek Cypriots were murdered in Assia in those events, something which again Bananiot failed to mention in his story.

Very good Piratis. Now, let us clear one thing after the other. You have been saying all along (ad nauseum) that the intercommunal strife was started by the TC's in 1958. Have you now changed your mind on this? Are you now saying that it started in April/May 1956?

Even before that...

1955: Turkish Cypriots collaborate with the colonialist British to form the “Special Mobile Reserve” and Auxiliary Police to counter the EOKA uprising against the British.

1956: Turkish Cypriot “Special Mobile Reserve” and Auxiliary Police stood by as TC civilian mobs assaulted GC civilians and ransacked their properties. Abuse of Greek Cypriot detainees by the Turkish Cypriot Auxiliary Police was very common.

June 1957: Twelve days before the Macmillan plan was announced, Turkish Cypriots started fires in Nicosia and begun two months of bitter Greek-Turkish strife in which 56 Greeks and 53 Turks were killed.

7th June 1958: Turkish Cypriots plant and detonate a bomb outside the Turkish press office in Nicosia and implicate Greek Cypriots. There was an immediate invasion by Turkish rioters of the Greek sector, and Greek Cypriot residents were expelled from a mixed district.

12th June 1958: Eight unarmed Greek Cypriot civilians from Kondemenos village were murdered by Turkish Cypriots near the Turkish populated village of Geunyeli. First mass murder committed by Turkish Cypriots.

July 1958: In the mixed suburb of Omorphita in Nicosia, TMT evicted 700 Greeks from their homes.