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[Viewpoint]

The real facts Bananiot some people have difficulties dealing with them boulio is no exception in GCs but the rule.

[boulio]

for the 100th time im not a g/c but greek,do i call you a mongolian?

[boulio]

These things are well documented boulio, in many research books that one can find in bookshops. Far more important people than me have written about them and nobody has asserted that they are dangerous. Just read what Inonu said to Makarios when he went on an official visit to Ankara in 1962. Don't bellieve what the hate mongers spit out. Good night now, have a good Xmas

and many have written the exact opposite,clauire pailey for one read a few of her ebooks as well Bananoit.two sides to every coin.god night and merry christmas

[Bananiot]

I have read Claire Palley boulio. Bear in mind that she was on the RoC pay roll for many years as an advisor on constitutional matters. I wonder how objective she can be. Let me tell you of another incidence that has been recorded:

March 14 1971: Makarios speaks at Yialousa and this is what he has to say.

CYPRUS HAS BEEN GREEK SINCE THE DAWN OF HISTORY AND WILL REMAIN GREEK AND INDIVISIBLE. GREEK AND INDIVISIBLE WE WILL DELIVER CYPRUS TO GREECE

There is a tail to this story too. Apparently, according to Constantinos Panagiotakos, then Ambassador of Greece to Nicosia, CBC were told not to broadcast the above but, the incompetent technicians in Nicosia made a mess and the above was broad casted. The TC side raised a point of reliability of the GC side and the crisis that ensued meant the end of the negotiations.

[Zeki]

Bananiot, I have been reading your posts for a very long time. You my friend are a true Cypriot and there are lots of us. We are just not vocal enough. We will win in the end and Cyprus will be united in peace once again.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all.

[Bananiot]

Thank you Zeki, this is the least we can do towards a noble cause.

[denizaksulu]

Bananiot, I have been reading your posts for a very long time. You my friend are a true Cypriot and there are lots of us. We are just not vocal enough. We will win in the end and Cyprus will be united in peace once again.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all.

Welcome to the cf Zeki. Bananiot is a very zeki man. I am sure there are many like him too. I wish they also were as vocal as him.
Nice to have you on board.

Selam

[Piratis]

Piratis

Please tell me Bananiot, what happened in 1956 that will somehow cancel the fact that we have been invaded by Turks who murdered 10s of thousands of Cypriots, oppressed us for centuries and just 80 years after the end of their oppressive rule they collaborated with foreign imperialists, attacked us (again), and helped the foreign Imperialists to deny to us our freedom (again) so they could have (yet again) Ottoman style privileges on the expense of the human and democratic rights of the majority of Cypriots?

A change of tune by Piratis. So far he wanted us to believe that the intercommunal problems started in 1958. Now, when it is pointed out that the events started much earlier, when we burned the ten only TC houses in Ashia in 1956 and at the same time declared war on innocent people in Afania, he relates everything to the Turkish invasion of 1974. We misjudged everything before 1974, thinking that we were invincible. We gambled and we lost. In 1974 we paid the bill, so to speak.

By searching the Internet you cannot find the truth. The truth lies in the research of serious historians and if you (and GR) do not sit down and do some serious reading you do not stand a chance at discovering the truth. Of course, this suits you quite well, since you can go on living in your false world, Piratis.

The inter-communal conflict did start in 1958. That is when 10s of unarmed innocent people started to get killed. But the problems of course started earlier (we can go back to 1571 if you want).

If you want to take it back to 1956, it was the year that the TCs started to collaborate with the British, who hired TCs as an auxiliary force to fight against EOKA and oppress the Cypriot revolution. In that year in Afania the Turks shot and injured 7 Greek Cypriots. The GCs reacted and the few TCs who were living in that village left. But as always you forget to say anything about who started the problem as this doesn't suit you.

In 1963, law and order broke down, as a direct consequence of Makarios's efforts to enforce the 13 changes to the Constitution. Makarios (and all the reactionaries of this forum) claimed that the changes were needed to make the fledgling democracy workable. Was this really the aim of makarios? Let us see:

In early 1964, Makarios sent a letter to George Papandreou, then Prime Minister of Greece. Nikos Kranidiotis in "Anohiroti Politia" page 135, vol. A, unearthed the letter, which says:

"I WAS THE PERSON WHO SIGNED THE AGREEMENTS ON BEHALF OF THE GREEK CYPRIOTS. I NEVER, FOR A SINGLE MOMENT, BELIEVED THAT THESE AGREEMENTS WOULD CONSTITUTE A LONG LASTING REGIME. I SIGNED THESE AGREEMENTS ONLY IN ORDER TO ANULL THEM, AS THE LEGITIMATE LEADER OF A COUNTRY. OUR OBJECTIVE, MR PRIME MINISTER, IS TO ABOLISH THE AGREEMENTS".

After the withdrawal of the TC's from the RoC, Makarios implemented a plan to change the bicommunal nature of the RoC, to a pure Greek state and made enosis his official policy.

In 1964 and 1967, Greece and Turkey came to the brink of war. However, in 1968 intercommunal talks started in Lebanon, between Klerides and Denktash. The talks continued in Nicosia on the basis of establishing an independent Cyprus. Makarios moved from the desired to the feasible, after the fiasco of 1967. We like of course to blame Turkey and the rest of the world for our predicament. Of course Turkey could never abandoned the TC's and we should have known this. Turkey had a well worked out policy on the Cyprus issue back then. It contained two unmovable terms:

1. The maintenance of the bicommunal nature of Cyprus so that the TC's would not be relegated from a politically equal community to a minority community.
2. The continuing presence of the treaty of guarantee which was an integral part of the Constitution.

Klerides, in his "My Deposition" page 89, vol.3, states that the Turkish side showed a willingness to accept the changes to the Constitution as proposed by Makarios on the condition that we accept the principle of self governance for the TC's.

Makarios rejected this because his main aim was to move away from the bicommunal nature of the state.

Of course, all the above make no sense to people like Piratis, B25 and GR who were blinkers all the time and all they see, when they run out of arguments, is the conquest of Cyprus by the Ottomans.

It makes perfect sense Bananiot. The British and the Turks collaborated to oppress the Cypriot revolution and imposed on us by means of brute force and blackmail their terms so they could keep Cyprus under their control.

The Turkish Cypriots are an 18% minority, but they were granted by the Imperialists privileges on the expense of our human and democratic rights, as a reward for helping the British to oppress the Cypriot revolution.

The constitution of Cyprus was written by foreigners who imposed it on us, and it was not a result of democratic procedures and the free will of the Cypriot people.

We are the vast majority of the population, and those who have a far far longer history on this island from the small Turkish minority which was created on our island during the Turkish occupation. The Turkish minority in Cyprus can have their human rights and what every other minority has in any other country, (e.g. the Greeks in Turkey). Beyond that we should be free to rule our own island as we wish, and neither Turkey nor the Turkish minority has any right to impose on us how to run our own island, and with whom we can unite.

The same will be true for anything that is imposed on Cyprus against our will. For example they are now trying to blackmail us (by keeping 1/3rd of Cyprus as hostage), to accept some racist Annan plan kind of solution that will violate our human and democratic rights. Even if we temporarily give in the pressure and accept such thing, it will mean nothing, since signatures that are extracted by means of brute force and blackmail mean absolutely nothing to us.

[lola-tulip]

Aside from the first invasion by ottomans, the most recent history of hailing false flag operations to incite inter-communal problems in Cyprus, can be pinpointed, by unbiased sources, to at least the Constantinople Pogrom (Σεπτεμβριανά) of 6–7 September 1955 when the Greek minority was attacked.

[Bananiot]

This is my response to a pm from Piratis on this matter:

The intercommunal strife started in April 1956 in Agios Vasilios, Kyrenia. I think I wrote about this. On 26 May 1956, the homes of about ten families living in Ashia were burnt to the ground and all TC's left the village for good. During the same night, scores of TC homes were burnt in Afania and a TC was killed in the process. These events are well documented in a new book that will soon be released by Kyriakos Tziampazis, from Afania.

Deniz, what does zeki mean? From your response it must mean something.