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21st December 1963

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby B25 » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:22 pm

Gasman wrote:B25 wrote to Daniella:

seems you have been taken in by this propoganda stunt just to have a dig a Oracle.

Word of advice, you are no match for her!


Word of advice from me too -

Don't let crap like that (which seems to get circulated by the O fanclub to all new(ish) members who DARE to disagree with this unpleasant woman) put you off posting on the forum.

It needs MORE people who won't let her chase them off the forum with her hate posts - not less. It is becoming a very dreary place and even O must be feeling the strain of trying to keep it going with her inane efforts that have been repeated over and over and over again in all her many different forum IDs.


Here you go again, trolling O, you just can't help it can you???? I bet steam is coming out of your ears right now. O doesn't need a fan club, but it seems you do. You have made no contribution yet again other than to have a bash at O diguised as advice to Danni.

You need to get a life, this hatred of O will eat you.

Furthermore, anyone who stops writing because of what someone else has said, should just stay at home and throw their toys out their. Pft! Are we adults here or juveniles? :roll: :roll:
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Postby Jerry » Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:43 pm

Piratis wrote:Gasman, this part of the forum is about the Cyprus Problem, not about you or any other member. Either post something relevant to the topic or don't post at all. This is not the place to discuss your insignificant personal issues.


Piratis, the above is the sort of post I would expect from Admin not from you - or have I missed something?
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:59 pm

Jerry wrote:
Piratis wrote:Gasman, this part of the forum is about the Cyprus Problem, not about you or any other member. Either post something relevant to the topic or don't post at all. This is not the place to discuss your insignificant personal issues.


Piratis, the above is the sort of post I would expect from Admin not from you - or have I missed something?


What are you saying Jerry? Be careful , lest you get banned. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:28 pm

Jerry wrote:
Piratis wrote:Gasman, this part of the forum is about the Cyprus Problem, not about you or any other member. Either post something relevant to the topic or don't post at all. This is not the place to discuss your insignificant personal issues.


Piratis, the above is the sort of post I would expect from Admin not from you - or have I missed something?


Yes, you are missing something but we'll leave your shortfalls out of this. You've also missed the number of times other forumers have complained about such things including me and GR!. Besides, Piratis is a moderator even if he's not specific to CyProb. Admin always sends PMs.

Anyway, when he posted the above, it was because of another particularly relentless trolling session by gasfart; and it was in the midst of a good debate.

Really, that troll only joined up to disrupt this whole forum - oh and 'cos she was banned from her favourite haunt.
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:56 pm

Please please ladies.............

At risk of making the moderators redundant can I remind ALL cf'ers that Otacles nik is O_R_A_C_L_E and Gasmans is G_A_S_M_A_N. We should learn to be civil with each other. This can lead to unpleasantries as we see now and have seen with our dear friend Yfred.

Otherwise I will demand that ALL female forumers are sent into exile to Mt Athos. (Sorry Daniella :cry: )

You can call me what you like, I dont give a shit. :roll:
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Postby Jerry » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:04 pm

Oracle wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Piratis wrote:Gasman, this part of the forum is about the Cyprus Problem, not about you or any other member. Either post something relevant to the topic or don't post at all. This is not the place to discuss your insignificant personal issues.


Piratis, the above is the sort of post I would expect from Admin not from you - or have I missed something?


Yes, you are missing something but we'll leave your shortfalls out of this. You've also missed the number of times other forumers have complained about such things including me and GR!. Besides, Piratis is a moderator even if he's not specific to CyProb. Admin always sends PMs.

Anyway, when he posted the above, it was because of another particularly relentless trolling session by gasfart; and it was in the midst of a good debate.

Really, that troll only joined up to disrupt this whole forum - oh and 'cos she was banned from her favourite haunt.


Not satisfied with your own rants you have now assumed the position of Piratis's mouthpiece. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:23 pm

Jerry wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Piratis wrote:Gasman, this part of the forum is about the Cyprus Problem, not about you or any other member. Either post something relevant to the topic or don't post at all. This is not the place to discuss your insignificant personal issues.


Piratis, the above is the sort of post I would expect from Admin not from you - or have I missed something?


Yes, you are missing something but we'll leave your shortfalls out of this. You've also missed the number of times other forumers have complained about such things including me and GR!. Besides, Piratis is a moderator even if he's not specific to CyProb. Admin always sends PMs.

Anyway, when he posted the above, it was because of another particularly relentless trolling session by gasfart; and it was in the midst of a good debate.

Really, that troll only joined up to disrupt this whole forum - oh and 'cos she was banned from her favourite haunt.


Not satisfied with your own rants you have now assumed the position of Piratis's mouthpiece. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Since I was the one who used his quote, I thought it was the polite thing to do. But I forgot you can't work things out for yourself nor manage to post without trying to cause trouble.
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Postby Jerry » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:14 pm

Oracle wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Piratis wrote:Gasman, this part of the forum is about the Cyprus Problem, not about you or any other member. Either post something relevant to the topic or don't post at all. This is not the place to discuss your insignificant personal issues.


Piratis, the above is the sort of post I would expect from Admin not from you - or have I missed something?


Yes, you are missing something but we'll leave your shortfalls out of this. You've also missed the number of times other forumers have complained about such things including me and GR!. Besides, Piratis is a moderator even if he's not specific to CyProb. Admin always sends PMs.

Anyway, when he posted the above, it was because of another particularly relentless trolling session by gasfart; and it was in the midst of a good debate.

Really, that troll only joined up to disrupt this whole forum - oh and 'cos she was banned from her favourite haunt.


Not satisfied with your own rants you have now assumed the position of Piratis's mouthpiece. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Since I was the one who used his quote, I thought it was the polite thing to do. But I forgot you can't work things out for yourself nor manage to post without trying to cause trouble.


Polite, You? You are having a laugh and as for "post without trying to causing trouble" - I'd say you are CFs champion.

Reckon I've hit a nerve here, unfortunately I have to go now, have a good Christmas and try not to cause too much trouble.
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Postby Bananiot » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:15 pm

Piratis

Please tell me Bananiot, what happened in 1956 that will somehow cancel the fact that we have been invaded by Turks who murdered 10s of thousands of Cypriots, oppressed us for centuries and just 80 years after the end of their oppressive rule they collaborated with foreign imperialists, attacked us (again), and helped the foreign Imperialists to deny to us our freedom (again) so they could have (yet again) Ottoman style privileges on the expense of the human and democratic rights of the majority of Cypriots?


A change of tune by Piratis. So far he wanted us to believe that the intercommunal problems started in 1958. Now, when it is pointed out that the events started much earlier, when we burned the ten only TC houses in Ashia in 1956 and at the same time declared war on innocent people in Afania, he relates everything to the Turkish invasion of 1974. We misjudged everything before 1974, thinking that we were invincible. We gambled and we lost. In 1974 we paid the bill, so to speak.

By searching the Internet you cannot find the truth. The truth lies in the research of serious historians and if you (and GR) do not sit down and do some serious reading you do not stand a chance at discovering the truth. Of course, this suits you quite well, since you can go on living in your false world, Piratis.

In 1963, law and order broke down, as a direct consequence of Makarios's efforts to enforce the 13 changes to the Constitution. Makarios (and all the reactionaries of this forum) claimed that the changes were needed to make the fledgling democracy workable. Was this really the aim of makarios? Let us see:

In early 1964, Makarios sent a letter to George Papandreou, then Prime Minister of Greece. Nikos Kranidiotis in "Anohiroti Politia" page 135, vol. A, unearthed the letter, which says:

"I WAS THE PERSON WHO SIGNED THE AGREEMENTS ON BEHALF OF THE GREEK CYPRIOTS. I NEVER, FOR A SINGLE MOMENT, BELIEVED THAT THESE AGREEMENTS WOULD CONSTITUTE A LONG LASTING REGIME. I SIGNED THESE AGREEMENTS ONLY IN ORDER TO ANULL THEM, AS THE LEGITIMATE LEADER OF A COUNTRY. OUR OBJECTIVE, MR PRIME MINISTER, IS TO ABOLISH THE AGREEMENTS".

After the withdrawal of the TC's from the RoC, Makarios implemented a plan to change the bicommunal nature of the RoC, to a pure Greek state and made enosis his official policy.

In 1964 and 1967, Greece and Turkey came to the brink of war. However, in 1968 intercommunal talks started in Lebanon, between Klerides and Denktash. The talks continued in Nicosia on the basis of establishing an independent Cyprus. Makarios moved from the desired to the feasible, after the fiasco of 1967. We like of course to blame Turkey and the rest of the world for our predicament. Of course Turkey could never abandoned the TC's and we should have known this. Turkey had a well worked out policy on the Cyprus issue back then. It contained two unmovable terms:

1. The maintenance of the bicommunal nature of Cyprus so that the TC's would not be relegated from a politically equal community to a minority community.
2. The continuing presence of the treaty of guarantee which was an integral part of the Constitution.

Klerides, in his "My Deposition" page 89, vol.3, states that the Turkish side showed a willingness to accept the changes to the Constitution as proposed by Makarios on the condition that we accept the principle of self governance for the TC's.

Makarios rejected this because his main aim was to move away from the bicommunal nature of the state.

Of course, all the above make no sense to people like Piratis, B25 and GR who were blinkers all the time and all they see, when they run out of arguments, is the conquest of Cyprus by the Ottomans.

P.S. B25 thinks that I am a Turk. I say that he is the proponent of the Turksih militarist circles for if ever we behave as he says we should, the job of the Turkish military circles will become extremely easy.
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Postby boulio » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:24 pm

and t/c self governance was a prelud to partition.
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