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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Piratis » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:31 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Lit wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Lit wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
And you are far behind times regarding the Kurds...Nobody calls them Mountain turks any more...Turkey is in the process of solving her Kurdish problem...


Yeah, you stopped calling them mountain Turks last year. How slowly you evolve. Turkey has been in the process of solving her Kurdish issue for decades and oh look...today we read Kurds protesting, again, in the streets:

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=203131

What Kurdish solution are you talking about and can we apply the same to the TCs? LOL

You know, if you were a mountain Turk spewing the same talking points about Kurdistan as you do with your beloved trnc...you'd be considered a terrorist in Turkey.


Better late than never...When are YOU going to stop calling yourselves Greeks,and insist Cyprus is a Greek island???? because until you do,we have no other option but to embrace our own ethnic roots...Guess where will that lead us???? And guess whose fault it would be????


Stop telling us who we are and what to do....this is not the Ottoman empire. Furthermore, It was Turkey who pushed the Greek Cypriots all to one side of the island and now you complain that some call it a Greek island? Here is a clue...support a unified island and you can make the RoC truly multi-cultural.


The TCs have suffered a great deal as a result o your Enosis madness,which was the result of you insisting that you were Greeks. If you want to reunify our homeland,you will need to convince us you have learnt your lessons,and are prepared to put your greekness in the background...That is all I am saying...


You mean the same "lessons" that your ancestors were trying to teach ours:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.


How about you learning your lessons and let Cyprus to be free for a change? The Cypriot people have asked for nothing more than our freedom which you have been denying to us for centuries.

Your ethnic minority can have its human and minority rights in Cyprus, but you can not tell us what we are and what our island is. We are not living in the era of the Ottomans and if you stopped acting like the Ottoman overlord of Cyprus then we might have a chance to get along.
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Postby boulio » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:04 pm

Here are your answers, bulio:

The position of the GC's after 1974 was one that generated great sympathy worldwide. After all, Turkey invaded in order to restore constitutional order and not to permanently station her troops in Cyprus. Confronted with this, Turkey says that of course the troops will be withdrawn, as soon as a solution is found. For years we appeared as the side hard done by a neighbour bully, who avoided the issue of solution. We were quite good at persuading the world that Turkey was the intransigent part and quite rightly too. The EU made a giant stride in accepting us with the problem remaining unsolved. That was a huge favour done to the RoC. The TC's felt excluded from this process and did the unthinkable. They rose against their ethnarch (Denktash) but our side (Papadopoulos and AKEL and DIKO and others) told us that things are not as they seem but the TC's are merele playing the communication game of Turkey. To cut a long story short, the EU, the UN and all International Institutions, now have doubts, to say the least, that our side is the one that wants solution. Of course, when they say solution they do not mean the solution Piratis wants. The parameters of the solution are recorded in details and we all know what they entail. So, I cannot see how the positions of the RoC are supported and cemented in the EU nad the UN. That is your own conclusion which does not reflect reality.

Security Counsil resolutions that overturn republics are hard to find. I do not know from where you got this notion. What the UN mandate is, and we all support this, is for the two sides to arrive at an understanding through negotiations, that is the role of this Institution, to tread the middle ground, in conflicts such as this one.

Kossovo is an example we should avoid using unless we want to draw important lessons. Sudan also, can you not see the reasons?









of course they are Banaoit the positions supported by the UN and EU,

You HAVE NEVER SEEN the un overturn soverighty,Taiwan and china come to mind,till the 1960 taiwan was regarded as the recognized govt in china now it is the PRC.Concerning kosovo and southern sudan im not saying we should use it for anything however the world or a great part of the world supports kosovo and southern sudan but does nothing for the t/c cause.do you understand know?the un and eu may not say what piratis wants but also it does not say what the t/c want either.The Annan plan if you remeber is not a UN plan.it was a plan written by de soto and the anglo americans,it was never endorsed by a vote by either the UN OR the EU.Im sorry to burst your little bubble but the EU does now one favors,it has a rigourous ascesion process and if a memebr country completes it and its accepted by all the current memebrs parliments then a country ascedes to the EU.Cyprus didnt get into the EU from some back door.
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Postby Bananiot » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:00 pm

You are not bursting my bubble, you are demonstrating your ignorance, I am afraid. How can I have faith in you as reliable debator when you come up with diamonds of the type "the Annan Plan was not a UN plan". Really, there is nothing much else to say now.
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Postby boulio » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:07 pm

was it put to a vote by the UNSC or the council in europe Bananoit?
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Postby boulio » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:43 pm

evn the set of ideas was endorsed by the security council thus yes thats a UN PLAN:

The 'Set of Ideas', presented by the previous UN Secretary-General Dr Boutros Ghali in 1992 and endorsed by Security Council resolution 774

I SUGGEST YOU WATCH YOUR MOUTH AND STOP CALLING PEOPLE IGNORANT
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:44 pm

Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Your signature is on the document which wiped the slate clean, you fucked up big time and will never see a solution as you envisage it, this is the solution so make the best of it cause it aint gonna change.


That signature was extracted by means of blackmail and brute force and therefore no slate was wiped clean. The slate will be wiped clean when Cyprus will be liberated from foreign invaders and we will be satisfied with what we have in our own island. Until that happens don't expect from us to forget the crimes your committed and you continue to commit against us.


So all international agreements can be reneged upon claiming like the GCs that it was forced, wake up Piratis every one can clearly see you are an eoka supporter, a wolf in sheep's clothing waiting for the swing in power so can can covert the whole island into a Greek island and realise the dream of enosis.
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Postby Me Ed » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:03 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Your signature is on the document which wiped the slate clean, you fucked up big time and will never see a solution as you envisage it, this is the solution so make the best of it cause it aint gonna change.


That signature was extracted by means of blackmail and brute force and therefore no slate was wiped clean. The slate will be wiped clean when Cyprus will be liberated from foreign invaders and we will be satisfied with what we have in our own island. Until that happens don't expect from us to forget the crimes your committed and you continue to commit against us.


So all international agreements can be reneged upon claiming like the GCs that it was forced, wake up Piratis every one can clearly see you are an eoka supporter, a wolf in sheep's clothing waiting for the swing in power so can can covert the whole island into a Greek island and realise the dream of enosis.

Another brain washed Turk.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:59 am

Piratis wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Lit wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Lit wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
And you are far behind times regarding the Kurds...Nobody calls them Mountain turks any more...Turkey is in the process of solving her Kurdish problem...


Yeah, you stopped calling them mountain Turks last year. How slowly you evolve. Turkey has been in the process of solving her Kurdish issue for decades and oh look...today we read Kurds protesting, again, in the streets:

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=203131

What Kurdish solution are you talking about and can we apply the same to the TCs? LOL

You know, if you were a mountain Turk spewing the same talking points about Kurdistan as you do with your beloved trnc...you'd be considered a terrorist in Turkey.


Better late than never...When are YOU going to stop calling yourselves Greeks,and insist Cyprus is a Greek island???? because until you do,we have no other option but to embrace our own ethnic roots...Guess where will that lead us???? And guess whose fault it would be????


Stop telling us who we are and what to do....this is not the Ottoman empire. Furthermore, It was Turkey who pushed the Greek Cypriots all to one side of the island and now you complain that some call it a Greek island? Here is a clue...support a unified island and you can make the RoC truly multi-cultural.


The TCs have suffered a great deal as a result o your Enosis madness,which was the result of you insisting that you were Greeks. If you want to reunify our homeland,you will need to convince us you have learnt your lessons,and are prepared to put your greekness in the background...That is all I am saying...


You mean the same "lessons" that your ancestors were trying to teach ours:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.


How about you learning your lessons and let Cyprus to be free for a change? The Cypriot people have asked for nothing more than our freedom which you have been denying to us for centuries.

Your ethnic minority can have its human and minority rights in Cyprus, but you can not tell us what we are and what our island is. We are not living in the era of the Ottomans and if you stopped acting like the Ottoman overlord of Cyprus then we might have a chance to get along.


You don't get it,do you,Piratis?
Your 'freedom' means slavery to the TCs,given our experiences in the past...You have done nothing,absolutely NOTHING,in the last 37 years to assure us you have learnt your lessons of the past,and our human rights will be protected in your hands...Instead you keep telling us Cyprus is Greek,and we are thieves and traitors trying to gain on your losses...How can you expect us to trust you and the likes of you???? :roll:
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Postby boulio » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:25 am

You don't get it,do you,Piratis?
Your 'freedom' means slavery to the TCs,given our experiences in the past...You have done nothing,absolutely NOTHING,in the last 37 years to assure us you have learnt your lessons of the past,and our human rights will be protected in your hands...Instead you keep telling us Cyprus is Greek,and we are thieves and traitors trying to gain on your losses...How can you expect us to trust you and the likes of you????








come on Bir slavery a bit dramatic dont you think the concesions that the ROC IN the past 35 years has made to reach a agreement is absalutly ridiculous and you still want more.Its Greek because the vast majority of ts inhabitants ethnicity is greek what is wrong with that?
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Postby Piratis » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:59 am

BirKibrisli wrote:
Piratis wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Lit wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Lit wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
And you are far behind times regarding the Kurds...Nobody calls them Mountain turks any more...Turkey is in the process of solving her Kurdish problem...


Yeah, you stopped calling them mountain Turks last year. How slowly you evolve. Turkey has been in the process of solving her Kurdish issue for decades and oh look...today we read Kurds protesting, again, in the streets:

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=203131

What Kurdish solution are you talking about and can we apply the same to the TCs? LOL

You know, if you were a mountain Turk spewing the same talking points about Kurdistan as you do with your beloved trnc...you'd be considered a terrorist in Turkey.


Better late than never...When are YOU going to stop calling yourselves Greeks,and insist Cyprus is a Greek island???? because until you do,we have no other option but to embrace our own ethnic roots...Guess where will that lead us???? And guess whose fault it would be????


Stop telling us who we are and what to do....this is not the Ottoman empire. Furthermore, It was Turkey who pushed the Greek Cypriots all to one side of the island and now you complain that some call it a Greek island? Here is a clue...support a unified island and you can make the RoC truly multi-cultural.


The TCs have suffered a great deal as a result o your Enosis madness,which was the result of you insisting that you were Greeks. If you want to reunify our homeland,you will need to convince us you have learnt your lessons,and are prepared to put your greekness in the background...That is all I am saying...


You mean the same "lessons" that your ancestors were trying to teach ours:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.


How about you learning your lessons and let Cyprus to be free for a change? The Cypriot people have asked for nothing more than our freedom which you have been denying to us for centuries.

Your ethnic minority can have its human and minority rights in Cyprus, but you can not tell us what we are and what our island is. We are not living in the era of the Ottomans and if you stopped acting like the Ottoman overlord of Cyprus then we might have a chance to get along.


You don't get it,do you,Piratis?
Your 'freedom' means slavery to the TCs,given our experiences in the past...You have done nothing,absolutely NOTHING,in the last 37 years to assure us you have learnt your lessons of the past,and our human rights will be protected in your hands...Instead you keep telling us Cyprus is Greek,and we are thieves and traitors trying to gain on your losses...How can you expect us to trust you and the likes of you???? :roll:


You are the ones who came to our island to enslave us. We never had any desire to enslave you. The only thing we ever fought for is freedom and democracy for our island, something which you never allowed to happen.

The ones who should learn a lesson is you not us. Take a lesson from all other minorities in Cyprus who respect democracy, respect human rights, and have absolutely no problem to live in peace along with the majority of the population.

As long as you continue to collaborate with foreign Imperialists trying to take away our lands and our human and democratic rights I will call you criminals and thieves because that is what you are. (and I am referring to those TCs who support such actions, not Cypriots like Kikapu who do not)

I am not Bananiot who is trying to flatter you and tries to gain your sympathy by kissing your ass. If you want to be my friend and be treated by me as a friend then you should respect our democratic and human rights and start acting as an equal Cypriot and not as an Ottoman overlord who should be obeyed "or else..."

If you continue acting in such a hostile and provocative way you are not giving any "lessons", you just become the enemy and you are treated as such.

You are neither our teacher nor our master to give to us "lessons". When you understand this then we will be able to live in peace with your ethnic minority just like we live in peace with all other ethnic minorities in Cyprus, all together as equal Cypriots without the racist discriminations and segregation you never stopped trying to impose on our island on the expense of not just GCs but every other, non Turkish, Cypriot.
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