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[Oracle]

you are racist, fascist piece of shit. Its people like you that make me think all Greeks are bastards and the only solution is division of the island.

:lol::lol::lol:

I really should be a bit softer with you, after all, you're probably more Turkish than I am. Our Ottoman forefathers couldn't keep their dicks in their pants and there is no doubt your great great grandmothers would have all been laid by them. So it is fair to say all Greeks are bastardised Turks/Ottomans.

GCs are for sure anything but purely greek, both culturally and genetically.

But Turks are even less a good example of a "pure race", since they are mainly the descendants of various indigenous people of Asia Minor and the Balkans, who converted to Islam - among them many Greeks. Actually, these "bastardized" children of Turkish/Ottoman men and Christian women, which you mentioned, were usually supposed to become Muslim, so it's by far more possible that you are the descendant of them than Greeks or GCs.

I think there were also surveys which showed that the genetic diversity is greater among Turks - and of course this is nothing to be shamed of, on the contrary.

There are certain groups in Turkey which have been there thousands of years. Some have Greek descent- although most of those were ethnically cleansed in the 1920s. The Kurds of course make a big part of Turkey (25%?). But of those others, there is more and more evidence to show they have moved over from the East.

For example, the Mongolian (blue/yellow) Spot ...

.....

Although rare among Europeans, its occurrence has been reported in Hungary, Bulgaria (Wateff cases, the spot is interpreted today as resulting from the invasions by Mongols and by other nomadic groups such as the Huns. Hungarians in particular trace their origins to the Huns and to the figure of Attila. The blue spot allegedly occurs in a third of Hungarians births (Kiszély, Gladkova & Tóth 1983).

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This rate is similar in Izmir, and higher amongst the brunette population.


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Turk J Pediatr. 2006 Jul-Sep;48(3):232-6.

Frequency and characteristics of mongolian spots among Turkish children in Aegean region.

Egemen A, Ikizoğlu T, Ergör S, Mete Asar G, Yilmaz O.

Departments of Pediatrics, Ege University Faculty of Medicine, Izmir, Turkey.
Abstract
Mongolian spots, which are benign congenital lesions observed in the first years of life, can cause distress for parents due to aberrant localization as well as unexpected number and size. Therefore, efficient differential diagnosis is necessary. The aim of this study was to determine the frequency and characteristics of mongolian spots in 1-12-month-old children in a west Anatolian city and to evaluate parental approach to these lesions. The study included 924 children who presented to Ege University Hospital Healthy Child Outpatient Department between January and August 2003. A questionnaire was applied to the families while all children were examined scrupulously for the presence of mongolian spots. The frequency of these lesions in the study population was determined to be 26%; this rate was 20% and 31% in boys and girls, respectively. No lesion was detected in blond-haired children; however, it was detected in 47% of brunettes. Most common localizations were lumbosacral, gluteal, and back, though knee, scalp and feet were also encountered. Upon questioning, most parents stated it was a birth mark; however, 10% accepted to consult a doctor about the issue. In conclusion, identifying mongolian spots and informing parents are essential to strengthen the family-doctor relationship.

Among Chinese children, these lesions were reported to be present in 58% of boys and 53.3% of girls, while the most common localizations were sacrococcygeal, gluteal and lumbar, in order of frequency. Colors were observed to vary from gray-blue to grayblack[14]. In the present study, most commonly encountered colors of mongolian spots were blue-purple (58.8%) followed by blue-gray (34.2%). Distribution of colors might be attributed to the difference in skin color between Chinese and Turkish children.

.......


I can't find any research relating to the frequency of the Mongol Spot in Kurds. The suggestion is that Kurds are more of Arab ancestry. If these studies were repeated removing the known Kurds from the rest of the Turkish samples, the incidence of the Mongol spot would probably be much higher.

So it seems, a very high proportion of the (non-Kurd) Turkish population is indeed of Asian descent.

Nobody said that there are no Mongolian genetic traces at all. It's reasonable to expect that there are more such traces in the European countries which had been dominated by non-indogermanic tribes, like Turkey, Bulgaria, Hungary or Finnland.

However, I can't see how that proves that the Mongolian-Asian origin is stronger among Turks than the Anatolian-Balkan one. I thought it would only be some ultra-nationalist Turks who would claim something like that.

Your opinions or comments are free, but facts are sacred ...

These findings show the migrations of man so your Turkish Nationalists are in for a big surprise if they think they can claim they are native to Asia Minor or their beloved "Turkey".

[PushDaddy]

What was number one in the charts is the important thing?

[denizaksulu]

you are racist, fascist piece of shit. Its people like you that make me think all Greeks are bastards and the only solution is division of the island.

:lol::lol::lol:

I really should be a bit softer with you, after all, you're probably more Turkish than I am. Our Ottoman forefathers couldn't keep their dicks in their pants and there is no doubt your great great grandmothers would have all been laid by them. So it is fair to say all Greeks are bastardised Turks/Ottomans.

GCs are for sure anything but purely greek, both culturally and genetically.

But Turks are even less a good example of a "pure race", since they are mainly the descendants of various indigenous people of Asia Minor and the Balkans, who converted to Islam - among them many Greeks. Actually, these "bastardized" children of Turkish/Ottoman men and Christian women, which you mentioned, were usually supposed to become Muslim, so it's by far more possible that you are the descendant of them than Greeks or GCs.

I think there were also surveys which showed that the genetic diversity is greater among Turks - and of course this is nothing to be shamed of, on the contrary.

There are certain groups in Turkey which have been there thousands of years. Some have Greek descent- although most of those were ethnically cleansed in the 1920s. The Kurds of course make a big part of Turkey (25%?). But of those others, there is more and more evidence to show they have moved over from the East.

For example, the Mongolian (blue/yellow) Spot ...

.....

Although rare among Europeans, its occurrence has been reported in Hungary, Bulgaria (Wateff cases, the spot is interpreted today as resulting from the invasions by Mongols and by other nomadic groups such as the Huns. Hungarians in particular trace their origins to the Huns and to the figure of Attila. The blue spot allegedly occurs in a third of Hungarians births (Kiszély, Gladkova & Tóth 1983).

........

This rate is similar in Izmir, and higher amongst the brunette population.


........


Turk J Pediatr. 2006 Jul-Sep;48(3):232-6.

Frequency and characteristics of mongolian spots among Turkish children in Aegean region.

Egemen A, Ikizoğlu T, Ergör S, Mete Asar G, Yilmaz O.

Departments of Pediatrics, Ege University Faculty of Medicine, Izmir, Turkey.
Abstract
Mongolian spots, which are benign congenital lesions observed in the first years of life, can cause distress for parents due to aberrant localization as well as unexpected number and size. Therefore, efficient differential diagnosis is necessary. The aim of this study was to determine the frequency and characteristics of mongolian spots in 1-12-month-old children in a west Anatolian city and to evaluate parental approach to these lesions. The study included 924 children who presented to Ege University Hospital Healthy Child Outpatient Department between January and August 2003. A questionnaire was applied to the families while all children were examined scrupulously for the presence of mongolian spots. The frequency of these lesions in the study population was determined to be 26%; this rate was 20% and 31% in boys and girls, respectively. No lesion was detected in blond-haired children; however, it was detected in 47% of brunettes. Most common localizations were lumbosacral, gluteal, and back, though knee, scalp and feet were also encountered. Upon questioning, most parents stated it was a birth mark; however, 10% accepted to consult a doctor about the issue. In conclusion, identifying mongolian spots and informing parents are essential to strengthen the family-doctor relationship.

Among Chinese children, these lesions were reported to be present in 58% of boys and 53.3% of girls, while the most common localizations were sacrococcygeal, gluteal and lumbar, in order of frequency. Colors were observed to vary from gray-blue to grayblack[14]. In the present study, most commonly encountered colors of mongolian spots were blue-purple (58.8%) followed by blue-gray (34.2%). Distribution of colors might be attributed to the difference in skin color between Chinese and Turkish children.

.......


I can't find any research relating to the frequency of the Mongol Spot in Kurds. The suggestion is that Kurds are more of Arab ancestry. If these studies were repeated removing the known Kurds from the rest of the Turkish samples, the incidence of the Mongol spot would probably be much higher.

So it seems, a very high proportion of the (non-Kurd) Turkish population is indeed of Asian descent.

Nobody said that there are no Mongolian genetic traces at all. It's reasonable to expect that there are more such traces in the European countries which had been dominated by non-indogermanic tribes, like Turkey, Bulgaria, Hungary or Finnland.

However, I can't see how that proves that the Mongolian-Asian origin is stronger among Turks than the Anatolian-Balkan one. I thought it would only be some ultra-nationalist Turks who would claim something like that.

Your opinions or comments are free, but facts are sacred ...

These findings show the migrations of man so your Turkish Nationalists are in for a big surprise if they think they can claim they are native to Asia Minor or their beloved "Turkey".

All very interesting reading; but how NATIVE can one be? Who determines what constitutes a NATIVE. I ask these simplistic questions as I think of NATIVE Americans; some of which do have Mongoloid features. I am not disputing any facts but I do ask myself these questions. Perhaps I should put my newly acquired books down and gaze elsewhere for an impartial answer.

Mongol spots huh? and in western Anatolia. Hmmm!!

[Lit]

Mongol spots huh? and in western Anatolia. Hmmm!!

Yeah...you can read more about it here my Cypriot brother

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17172067

Turk J Pediatr. 2006 Jul-Sep;48(3):232-6.
Frequency and characteristics of mongolian spots among Turkish children in Aegean region.

Egemen A, Ikizoğlu T, Ergör S, Mete Asar G, Yilmaz O.

Departments of Pediatrics, Ege University Faculty of Medicine, Izmir, Turkey.
Abstract

Mongolian spots, which are benign congenital lesions observed in the first years of life, can cause distress for parents due to aberrant localization as well as unexpected number and size. Therefore, efficient differential diagnosis is necessary. The aim of this study was to determine the frequency and characteristics of mongolian spots in 1-12-month-old children in a west Anatolian city and to evaluate parental approach to these lesions. The study included 924 children who presented to Ege University Hospital Healthy Child Outpatient Department between January and August 2003. A questionnaire was applied to the families while all children were examined scrupulously for the presence of mongolian spots. The frequency of these lesions in the study population was determined to be 26%; this rate was 20% and 31% in boys and girls, respectively. No lesion was detected in blond-haired children; however, it was detected in 47% of brunettes. Most common localizations were lumbosacral, gluteal, and back, though knee, scalp and feet were also encountered. Upon questioning, most parents stated it was a birth mark; however, 10% accepted to consult a doctor about the issue. In conclusion, identifying mongolian spots and informing parents are essential to strengthen the family-doctor relationship.

[denizaksulu]

Mongol spots huh? and in western Anatolia. Hmmm!!

Yeah...you can read more about it here my Cypriot brother

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17172067

Turk J Pediatr. 2006 Jul-Sep;48(3):232-6.
Frequency and characteristics of mongolian spots among Turkish children in Aegean region.

Egemen A, Ikizoğlu T, Ergör S, Mete Asar G, Yilmaz O.

Departments of Pediatrics, Ege University Faculty of Medicine, Izmir, Turkey.
Abstract

Mongolian spots, which are benign congenital lesions observed in the first years of life, can cause distress for parents due to aberrant localization as well as unexpected number and size. Therefore, efficient differential diagnosis is necessary. The aim of this study was to determine the frequency and characteristics of mongolian spots in 1-12-month-old children in a west Anatolian city and to evaluate parental approach to these lesions. The study included 924 children who presented to Ege University Hospital Healthy Child Outpatient Department between January and August 2003. A questionnaire was applied to the families while all children were examined scrupulously for the presence of mongolian spots. The frequency of these lesions in the study population was determined to be 26%; this rate was 20% and 31% in boys and girls, respectively. No lesion was detected in blond-haired children; however, it was detected in 47% of brunettes. Most common localizations were lumbosacral, gluteal, and back, though knee, scalp and feet were also encountered. Upon questioning, most parents stated it was a birth mark; however, 10% accepted to consult a doctor about the issue. In conclusion, identifying mongolian spots and informing parents are essential to strengthen the family-doctor relationship.

I remembered that in the 14th Century, the Mongol hordes (corrupted form og Ordu) wiped out (almost) the fledgling Ottoman dynasty and captured all of the then Turkish Beyliks. For reasons I cannot remember (need to check up) they were (the Mongols) vanquished and the Ottoman state was re-formed. It seems that they may have left there 'mark' before they withdrew. The year 1308 sticks to my mind.

[denizaksulu]

The Mongolian spot: a study of ethnic differences and a literature review.

Cordova A.
Abstract

Four hundred thirty-seven consecutively born full-term neonates, delivered at Jackson Memorial Hospital, were examined for the presence of mongolian spots (MS). The spots were found in 96% of the Negro children, 46% of the Hispanic children, 9.5% of the Caucasian children, and in both of the Asian children in the series. The sacro-gluteal region was the most frequent site of pigmentation, with the shoulders next in frequency. Almost all the spots on the extremities were located on the extensor surfaces. The color was most frequently blue-green, but was also commonly greenish-blue, blue-gray, or brown. In a concurrent review of 124 newborn records, MS was not described by house officers in any, although the probability of its occurrence would have been approximately 90 cases, based on the results of the study. A comprehensive review of the history of the description of MS and theories of its development, as well as a review of the clinical aspects, is presented.

PMID: 7028354 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Publication Types, MeSH Terms

"The spots were found in 96% of the Negro children"



So??????????????

[Oracle]

The Mongolian spot: a study of ethnic differences and a literature review.

Cordova A.
Abstract

Four hundred thirty-seven consecutively born full-term neonates, delivered at Jackson Memorial Hospital, were examined for the presence of mongolian spots (MS). The spots were found in 96% of the Negro children, 46% of the Hispanic children, 9.5% of the Caucasian children, and in both of the Asian children in the series. The sacro-gluteal region was the most frequent site of pigmentation, with the shoulders next in frequency. Almost all the spots on the extremities were located on the extensor surfaces. The color was most frequently blue-green, but was also commonly greenish-blue, blue-gray, or brown. In a concurrent review of 124 newborn records, MS was not described by house officers in any, although the probability of its occurrence would have been approximately 90 cases, based on the results of the study. A comprehensive review of the history of the description of MS and theories of its development, as well as a review of the clinical aspects, is presented.

PMID: 7028354 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Publication Types, MeSH Terms

"The spots were found in 96% of the Negro children"



So??????????????

Quite correct. The Mongolian Spots were retained in the population which moved East out of Africa. Lost in the half which moved over Asia Minor and populated Cyprus and up to Greece and then further West.

The Mongolian Spot also is retained in e.g. Japanese and their migrating descendants of the Native American tribes - migrating the other way - further East.

The migratory patterns of humans is proving very interesting and so far confirms recorded history and ethnic boundaries (before recent cleansings).

[denizaksulu]

The Mongolian spot: a study of ethnic differences and a literature review.

Cordova A.
Abstract

Four hundred thirty-seven consecutively born full-term neonates, delivered at Jackson Memorial Hospital, were examined for the presence of mongolian spots (MS). The spots were found in 96% of the Negro children, 46% of the Hispanic children, 9.5% of the Caucasian children, and in both of the Asian children in the series. The sacro-gluteal region was the most frequent site of pigmentation, with the shoulders next in frequency. Almost all the spots on the extremities were located on the extensor surfaces. The color was most frequently blue-green, but was also commonly greenish-blue, blue-gray, or brown. In a concurrent review of 124 newborn records, MS was not described by house officers in any, although the probability of its occurrence would have been approximately 90 cases, based on the results of the study. A comprehensive review of the history of the description of MS and theories of its development, as well as a review of the clinical aspects, is presented.

PMID: 7028354 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Publication Types, MeSH Terms

"The spots were found in 96% of the Negro children"



So??????????????

Quite correct. The Mongolian Spots were retained in the population which moved East out of Africa. Lost in the half which moved over Asia Minor and populated Cyprus and up to Greece and then further West.

The Mongolian Spot also is retained in e.g. Japanese and their migrating descendants of the Native American tribes - migrating the other way - further East.

The migratory patterns of humans is proving very interesting and so far confirms recorded history and ethnic boundaries (before recent cleansings).

I thought I read only a couple of weeks ago that the 'East out of Africa' theory was disproved. You must have read it. Have a dig Oracle (if you dont mind).

[Oracle]

The Mongolian spot: a study of ethnic differences and a literature review.

Cordova A.
Abstract

Four hundred thirty-seven consecutively born full-term neonates, delivered at Jackson Memorial Hospital, were examined for the presence of mongolian spots (MS). The spots were found in 96% of the Negro children, 46% of the Hispanic children, 9.5% of the Caucasian children, and in both of the Asian children in the series. The sacro-gluteal region was the most frequent site of pigmentation, with the shoulders next in frequency. Almost all the spots on the extremities were located on the extensor surfaces. The color was most frequently blue-green, but was also commonly greenish-blue, blue-gray, or brown. In a concurrent review of 124 newborn records, MS was not described by house officers in any, although the probability of its occurrence would have been approximately 90 cases, based on the results of the study. A comprehensive review of the history of the description of MS and theories of its development, as well as a review of the clinical aspects, is presented.

PMID: 7028354 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Publication Types, MeSH Terms

"The spots were found in 96% of the Negro children"



So??????????????

Quite correct. The Mongolian Spots were retained in the population which moved East out of Africa. Lost in the half which moved over Asia Minor and populated Cyprus and up to Greece and then further West.

The Mongolian Spot also is retained in e.g. Japanese and their migrating descendants of the Native American tribes - migrating the other way - further East.

The migratory patterns of humans is proving very interesting and so far confirms recorded history and ethnic boundaries (before recent cleansings).

I thought I read only a couple of weeks ago that the 'East out of Africa' theory was disproved. You must have read it. Have a dig Oracle (if you dont mind).

It isn't wrong.

The tribe came out of Africa and split into two. One went Easterly (you - bearing the spot) and the other went northwards and westerly (us).

[denizaksulu]

The Mongolian spot: a study of ethnic differences and a literature review.

Cordova A.
Abstract

Four hundred thirty-seven consecutively born full-term neonates, delivered at Jackson Memorial Hospital, were examined for the presence of mongolian spots (MS). The spots were found in 96% of the Negro children, 46% of the Hispanic children, 9.5% of the Caucasian children, and in both of the Asian children in the series. The sacro-gluteal region was the most frequent site of pigmentation, with the shoulders next in frequency. Almost all the spots on the extremities were located on the extensor surfaces. The color was most frequently blue-green, but was also commonly greenish-blue, blue-gray, or brown. In a concurrent review of 124 newborn records, MS was not described by house officers in any, although the probability of its occurrence would have been approximately 90 cases, based on the results of the study. A comprehensive review of the history of the description of MS and theories of its development, as well as a review of the clinical aspects, is presented.

PMID: 7028354 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Publication Types, MeSH Terms

"The spots were found in 96% of the Negro children"



So??????????????

Quite correct. The Mongolian Spots were retained in the population which moved East out of Africa. Lost in the half which moved over Asia Minor and populated Cyprus and up to Greece and then further West.

The Mongolian Spot also is retained in e.g. Japanese and their migrating descendants of the Native American tribes - migrating the other way - further East.

The migratory patterns of humans is proving very interesting and so far confirms recorded history and ethnic boundaries (before recent cleansings).

I thought I read only a couple of weeks ago that the 'East out of Africa' theory was disproved. You must have read it. Have a dig Oracle (if you dont mind).

It isn't wrong.

The tribe came out of Africa and split into two. One went Easterly (you - bearing the spot) and the other went northwards and westerly (us).

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Did first humans come out of Middle East and not Africa? Israeli discovery forces scientists to re-examine evolution of modern man

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Scientists could be forced to re-write the history of the evolution of modern man after the discovery of 400,000-year-old human remains.

Until now, researchers believed that homo sapiens, the direct descendants of modern man, evolved in Africa about 200,000 years ago and gradually migrated north, through the Middle East, to Europe and Asia.

Recently, discoveries of early human remains in China and Spain have cast doubt on the 'Out of Africa' theory, but no-one was certain.
Professor Avi Gopher, a researcher from Tel Aviv University's Institute of Archaeology, holds a pre-historic tooth at Qesem cave, an excavation site near the town of Rosh Ha'ayin

Professor Avi Gopher, a researcher from Tel Aviv University's Institute of Archaeology, holds a pre-historic tooth at Qesem cave, an excavation site near the town of Rosh Ha'ayin

The new discovery of pre-historic human remains by Israeli university explorers in a cave near Ben-Gurion airport could force scientists to re-think earlier theories.
Early humans: Middle Awash Aramis, Ethiopia, where the first 'modern' human beings were thought to have been discovered

Early humans: Middle Awash Aramis, Ethiopia, where the first 'modern' human beings were thought to have been discovered

Archeologists from Tel Aviv University say eight human-like teeth found in the Qesem cave near Rosh Ha’Ayin - 10 miles from Israel’s international airport - are 400,000 years old, from the Middle Pleistocene Age, making them the earliest remains of homo sapiens yet discovered anywhere in the world.

The size and shape of the teeth are very similar to those of modern man. Until now, the earliest examples found were in Africa, dating back only 200,000 years.

Other scientists have argued that human beings originated in Africa before moving to other regions 150,000 to 200,000 years ago.

Homo sapiens discovered in Middle Awash, Ethiopia, from 160,000 years ago were believed to be the oldest 'modern' human beings.

Other remains previously found in Israeli caves are thought to have been more recent and 80,000 to 100,000 years old.
A group of international and Israeli researchers have discovered pre-historic artefacts and human remains at the site that may prove the earliest existence of modern man was about 400,000 years ago

A group of international and Israeli researchers have discovered pre-historic artefacts and human remains at the site that may prove the earliest existence of modern man was about 400,000 years ago

The findings of Professor Avi Gopher and Dr Ran Barkai of the Institute of Archeology at Tel Aviv University, published last week in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology, suggest that modern man did not originate in Africa as previously believed, but in the Middle East.

The Qesem cave was discovered in 2000 and has been the focus of intense study ever since.

Along with the teeth – the parts of the human skeleton that survive the longest – the researchers found evidence of a sophisticated early human society that used sharpened flakes of stone to cut meat and other impressive prehistoric tools.
Locator map - The Qesem cave near Rosh Ha Ayin, 10 miles from Israel's international airport, and Ethiopia, where man was thought to have originated


The Israeli scientists said the remains found in the cave suggested the systematic production of flint blades, the habitual use of fire, evidence of hunting, cutting and sharing of animal meat, and mining raw materials to produce flint tools from rocks below ground.

'A diversified assemblage of flint blades was manufactured and used,' the Tel Aviv scientists wrote, describing the tools they found in the cave.

'Thick-edged blades, shaped through retouch, were used for scraping semi-hard materials such as wood or hide, whereas blades with straight, sharp working edges were used to cut soft tissues.'

The explorers said they were continuing to investigate the cave and its contents, expecting to make more discoveries that would shed further light on human evolution in prehistoric times.

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