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[Piratis]

Ok let's say the conflict started in the 50s and as you admit this was not just a one way street as both sides done wrong.

Fast forward to 63 the next major out break of trouble, could you answer these points that I have raised:

The events in 63 also saw gcs trying to change an agreed constitution that was only 4 years old (and say what you want about the constitution- it was something that you leader signed and therefore should have honoured), when the high court said that they would rule In favour of the tcs yourleadership said it would ignore the court. You killed tcs, you broke the constitution, you broke our partnership that saw Cyprus independent for the first time in it's history (something you would never have achieved without the tcs- because without the tcs partnership in the 1960 constitution turkey would never agreed to Cyprus independence- yet you betrayed your partners to hand our country on a plate to foriegn power (ie Greece)

Greece is not a "foreign power" since Cyprus is a Greek island.

What was given to Cyprus was not independence at all. Independence means having the freedom to write your own constitution, your own laws, and for the people of the country to democratically control it. It also means the right to unite your own territory with another, if that is what the majority of the people want. None of these was given to Cyprus. The constitution was written by foreigners to serve their own interests and was forced on us by means of blackmail. The British and the Turks kept armies in Cyprus and were made so called "guarantors" so they could continue to control and oppress Cyprus. Independence my ass.

If you know any other country which has foreign "guarantors", foreign armies, foreign judges of the supreme court, and a constitution written by foreigners (and without the right of the people of the country to democratically change it), then please let me know.

The fact is that the British and the Turks collaborated (using the TC minority as their excuse) to prevent Cyprus from being free like all other Greek islands, so they could continue to control Cyprus and use it for their own geostrategic purposes.

And then you are asking why we wanted to take control of our own island? Are you serious? The answer is obvious: Because this island belongs to us and we should have the right to write our own constitution, and rule our own island just like the Turks rule Turkey or the British rule Britain. (and no, the Turks don't ask for the separate permission of their minorities in order to change their own constitution, no independent country does that.)

[Piratis]

because without the tcs partnership in the 1960 constitution turkey would never agreed to Cyprus independence

And why do we need the permission of Turkey? We don't, and we will continue to fight against these bullies until we free our island from them. Turkey should mind their own business and their own country. We are not in the era of Ottoman empire.

[lovernomore]

because without the tcs partnership in the 1960 constitution turkey would never agreed to Cyprus independence

And why do we need the permission of Turkey? We don't, and we will continue to fight against these bullies until we free our island from them. Turkey should mind their own business and their own country. We are not in the era of Ottoman empire.

No, this is the continuation of the Ottoman era, we are the Ottoman remnants, learn to live with it you racist, Turk hating, no good for nothing shitface.

[Oracle]

because without the tcs partnership in the 1960 constitution turkey would never agreed to Cyprus independence

And why do we need the permission of Turkey? We don't, and we will continue to fight against these bullies until we free our island from them. Turkey should mind their own business and their own country. We are not in the era of Ottoman empire.

No, this is the continuation of the Ottoman era, we are the Ottoman remnants, learn to live with it you racist, Turk hating, no good for nothing shitface.

Then you should be very afraid. Because, "modern Turkey" is out to destroy you.

[Gasman]

Just looking at the 'Greek Island Guide'

The islands of Crete and Evia are the largest and are almost countries themselves and in the case of Cyprus it is another country entirely.

Cyprus is not a Greek Island. It is a Cypriot island. At least two thirds is. The other third is occupied by Turkey. Before 1974 the whole island was one nation. Maybe you read about it somewhere.

Put a lot more politely than it is put on a lot of the Greek Discussion Forums! On those they even go on about Cypriots not speaking Greek at all but some cobbled form of Gringlish.

If Cyprus is a part of Greece - why didn't it accede to the EU at the same time as Greece - instead of Greece having to blackmail the EU to let Cyprus in!

[DT.]

DTA Piratis is eoka mindset reborn so he will never understand us. I am gradually understanding that we have to deepen our roots and never give the TRNC as we cannot live or prosper w,th Gcs nor will we be 100% safe as we have seen they continue to make excuses.

What I would like to know is this forum typical of the opinions of the gcs because if it is then I 100% agree

Enjoy your safetly with a racist pig who has been quoted as saying he "does not want his children to grow up in a place were Greek can also be spoken."

[Piratis]

Just looking at the 'Greek Island Guide'

The islands of Crete and Evia are the largest and are almost countries themselves and in the case of Cyprus it is another country entirely.

Cyprus is not a Greek Island. It is a Cypriot island. At least two thirds is. The other third is occupied by Turkey. Before 1974 the whole island was one nation. Maybe you read about it somewhere.

Put a lot more politely than it is put on a lot of the Greek Discussion Forums! On those they even go on about Cypriots not speaking Greek at all but some cobbled form of Gringlish.

If Cyprus is a part of Greece - why didn't it accede to the EU at the same time as Greece - instead of Greece having to blackmail the EU to let Cyprus in!

If Cyprus is not Greek then why did Greece had to "blackmail" EU to let Cyprus in?

I didn't say "Cyprus is part of Greek state", I said "Cyprus is Greek". Two very different things. Obviously Cyprus is not part of the Greek state and the reason is obvious: Because the British and Turks denied to us our freedom and they didn't allow Cyprus to be part of the Greek state as it was the desire of the Cypriot and the Greek people in general. Is your IQ so low that you can't understand this very basic thing?

This is our island and neither you nor any other foreigner can tell us what we are and what our island is. If you want to discuss such issues then go to a forum of your own country and debate about what is English and what is not with people that write things like the following:

And don't get me started on the accent. Scousers do not speak english. they actually speak some strange Klingon dialect from a place where everyone has chronic bronchitis.

[Piratis]

Gasman, you also seem to confuse the concepts of state and nation. Let me educate you a bit:

A nation is a group of people who share culture, ethnicity and language. A nation is not necessarily equated with country in that a country is akin to a state which is defined as the political entity within defined borders. Although "nation" is also commonly used in informal discourse as a synonym for state or country, a nation is not identical to a state. Countries where the social concept of "nation" coincides with the political concept of "state" are called nation states.

Cyprus is part of the Greek nation. It is not part of the Greek state because our freedom was denied by foreign Imperialists.

[Viewpoint]

So according to Piratis twisted way of thinking Australia and America are English and Argentina is Spanish look you eoka wannabe this island was never Greek and never will be. We TCs have to take heed of what Piratis says and fight for our right to self determination as you can clearly see how he views us not as equal partners in any shape or form but as just a minority in a 'Greek State'. Avcunu yala.

[lovernomore]

CYPRUS WILL ALWAYS BE TURKISH AND GREEK. THE SOUTH WILL HOUSE THE GREEKS AND THE NORTH THE TURKS.

CHEW ON THAT SHITFACE PIRATIS.