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[All4114All]

We've discussed before, on the forum, how the "Istanbul Pogrom" kick-started the whole "inter-communal" thing. It's always the case that external forces act to damage Cyprus.

It's no wonder, then, that this whole cataclysm was started by Turkey IN Turkey!

Yup, September 1955, Istanbul ... is probably the earliest recorded incident leading to direct TAKSIM!

Does anyone know of an earlier date by which Turks lit the fuse?

Bananiot failed!

Correct me if I am wrong but the 1955 Istanbul Pogrom was fueled by Greece applying to the UN in 1954 for self-determination of Cyprus (union with Greece) although Enosis can be traced back to 1931 on Cyprus.

Now September 1955 Istanbul Pogrom is correct but EOKA was born 1 April 1955. Nearly forgot I am sure there was a referendum in 1950 period where the church held a plebiscite strongly backing union with Greece.

Last but not least don't forget the Megali Idea 1832 was part of Cyprus and this was when Independence of Greece was established.

And what exactly is wrong with the Greek lands being liberated from Ottoman/Turks or any other foreign Imperialist?

You think that because the Ottoman empire conquered our lands and that during their rule Muslim minorities were formed on Greek territories, that this meant Greeks should be indefinitely your slaves and have no right for their own free state that would include all Greek territories?

Liberated is one thing Subjugation is another thing which is what I think you were trying to say please don't confuse the two.

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Kikapu you dont have a vote so you cant say jack shit.

Says who.?

I am a citizen of the RoC you know.!

At the very least, I have a voice on the forum to say "NO" if nothing else.!

You may have a voice but no one is really listening and you dont have the possibilty to cast any vote you say you have. Did you vote last time?

I do not force anyone to listen to my voice or not. I believe in freedom of choice, unlike fascism, where it is forced on others to do as they want through direct threats, propaganda and brainwashing.!

No, I did not vote last time.

Who is talking about forcing anyone to listen dont try to change the point of the comment, I am saying people choose not to listen to you nor do they cares what you think because in the grand scale of things you dont make any difference.

At least I have a vote and live on the island, it future effects me and mine, you are a foreigner who will die abroad and be forgotten well before any of if a solution is found.

[Oracle]

The Otto-Turks 'Subjugated' and still 'Subjugate' us, so we want to 'Liberate' Cyprus.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu you dont have a vote so you cant say jack shit.

Says who.?

I am a citizen of the RoC you know.!

At the very least, I have a voice on the forum to say "NO" if nothing else.!

You may have a voice but no one is really listening and you dont have the possibilty to cast any vote you say you have. Did you vote last time?

I do not force anyone to listen to my voice or not. I believe in freedom of choice, unlike fascism, where it is forced on others to do as they want through direct threats, propaganda and brainwashing.!

No, I did not vote last time.

Who is talking about forcing anyone to listen dont try to change the point of the comment, I am saying people choose not to listen to you nor do they cares what you think because in the grand scale of things you dont make any difference.

You can ONLY speak for yourself and not for anyone else, as to whether anyone is listening to my voice or not. Ironically however, you seem to be listening to my voice far more than anyone else, aren't you.??:wink:

At least I have a vote and live on the island, it future effects me and mine, you are a foreigner who will die abroad and be forgotten well before any of if a solution is found.

You don't have shit (voice), because you have sold your voice to the settlers. They own your ass (voice) and you will do what ever they (Turkey) will decide for a settlement no matter if it's to your best interest or not. Turkey has 70 million Turks to worry about and not the 50,000-70,000 TCs without a voice.!

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Kikapu

You can ONLY speak for yourself and not for anyone else, as to whether anyone is listening to my voice or not. Ironically however, you seem to be listening to my voice far more than anyone else, aren't you.??

Its called pitying someone.

You don't have shit (voice), because you have sold your voice to the settlers. They own your ass (voice) and you will do what ever they (Turkey) will decide for a settlement no matter if it's to your best interest or not. Turkey has 70 million Turks to worry about and not the 50,000-70,000 TCs without a voice.!

We are all one and one for all....something which you dont and never will understand.

[All4114All]

The Otto-Turks 'Subjugated' and still 'Subjugate' us, so we want to 'Liberate' Cyprus.

Then let us 'Librate' together equally both (G/C & T/C) to have a voice for the future of Cyprus as one.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu

You can ONLY speak for yourself and not for anyone else, as to whether anyone is listening to my voice or not. Ironically however, you seem to be listening to my voice far more than anyone else, aren't you.??

Its called pitying someone.

Is that the best excuse you can come up with.?:lol:

You don't have shit (voice), because you have sold your voice to the settlers. They own your ass (voice) and you will do what ever they (Turkey) will decide for a settlement no matter if it's to your best interest or not. Turkey has 70 million Turks to worry about and not the 50,000-70,000 TCs without a voice.!

We are all one and one for all....something which you dont and never will understand.

Is that why Turkey now wants 50% of all the new civil servant jobs to go to the settlers.?

I'm sure that will be followed by the "trnc parliament" to become 50% settlers soon also.

Then you will be further up a creek without a paddle.!

If you were all the same, why does Turkey differentiate between her own people (settlers) and the TCs.??

[BirKibrisli]

Bananiot,

What Piratis and Co really want is to take IT all the way back to 1571.
They can then be 100% right...As far as the Ottomans go anyway...Nobody invited them to come!

What is clear to me is this : The hatred of all things Ottoman, and subsequently Turkish and Turkish Cypriot, goes back to 1571 and it is etched in these people's hearts and minds...It has always been about getting revenge or getting even. That is why they went for ENOSIS with Greece,a dream they sustained since 1820s...By making Cyprus a Greek island they would get even with the pesty TCs and reduce them to a sorry,despised minority they can humiliate at their will...That was what the Akritas plan was about,that was why they dismantled the True RoC,and that is why the had the Coup against Makarios...

Nothing has changed now,the aim is still the same...To reduce the TCs into a sorry minority and teach them a historical lesson...Now they try to hide it under 'democracy' and 'human rights' and 'EU principles' cloaks but the aim is the same...That is why the TCs,who know this well,have chosen to go back to their roots...If they are going to be dominated and humilated,they'd prefer it to be done by the Turks and NOT by the GCs...
It is that simple really...The game is over...There will never be a solution...Even a BBF is not acceptable to the majority of the GCs...There is not much left to be said...

[ZoC]

Bananiot,

What Piratis and Co really want is to take IT all the way back to 1571.
They can then be 100% right...As far as the Ottomans go anyway...Nobody invited them to come!

very true, nobody did invite them.

What is clear to me is this : The hatred of all things Ottoman, and subsequently Turkish and Turkish Cypriot, goes back to 1571 and it is etched in these people's hearts and minds...It has always been about getting revenge or getting even.

it's not about revenge or getting even, it's about getting the invader OUT! simples.

That is why they went for ENOSIS with Greece,a dream they sustained since 1820s...By making Cyprus a Greek island they would get even with the pesty TCs and reduce them to a sorry,despised minority they can humiliate at their will...That was what the Akritas plan was about,that was why they dismantled the True RoC,and that is why the had the Coup against Makarios...

Nothing has changed now,the aim is still the same...To reduce the TCs into a sorry minority and teach them a historical lesson...

ur paranoid. tcs are an irrelevance. no one wants to teach u anything.

Now they try to hide it under 'democracy' and 'human rights' and 'EU principles' cloaks but the aim is the same...That is why the TCs,who know this well,have chosen to go back to their roots...

off you go. bye then.

If they are going to be dominated and humilated,they'd prefer it to be done by the Turks and NOT by the GCs...

ur call. but if you want to be dominated and humiliated by turks can you do it in turkey, please? it's more convenient for everybody.

It is that simple really...The game is over...There will never be a solution...Even a BBF is not acceptable to the majority of the GCs...There is not much left to be said...

can't argue with that.

[Piratis]

Piratis

By the way, you still did not apologize for hiding the truth about that incident. You tried to claim that GCs attacked the TCs out of the blue, but you were proven (as always) a liar.

Hold your horses Piratis, we shall soon reveal the truth and forumers can see who the liar is. In the meantime, since I told you my source, do you care to give your source?

Here is my source:
http://www.assia.org.cy/index.php/assia ... ?showall=1

Where is your source? A book "soon to be released"? And since the book has not been released yet, how did you read it already? That would mean that the author must be a close buddy of yours, and we all know what your buddies are like.

Bananiot, the truth has already being revealed, with exact dates and names. Do you really think we expect from you to tell us the truth? You can't even say the truth about a single incident without hiding the facts that doesn't suit the Turks.