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Postby ZoC » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:10 am

lobby for cyprus gets it spot on for once..

http://www.lobbyforcyprus.org/letter.aspx?id=1175



To: Lord Alan Sugar
14 October 2010

BBC Apprentice candidate Jamie Lester – profits from stolen land


Dear Lord Sugar

As a British human rights NGO, we wish to draw your attention to Apprentice Candidate Jamie Lester, described as a property developer in northern Cyprus.

Through your duties for Parliament you may be aware of the Lobby for Cyprus presence, as we have strong links with many MPs including, Alan Meale, MP for Mansfield, Andrew Love, MP for Edmonton, David Burrows, MP for Enfield, Southgate and many others.

It is a source of great distress to British Cypriot citizens who have lost their homes and lands in the occupied area of Cyprus to see Mr Lester attempt to impress you with his experience in business, when he is dealing in properties –possibly their properties- built on illegally occupied land.

In addition to the distress caused to the Cypriot people, and to the sizeable British Cypriot community, the Apprentice is further misleading viewers.

No Government, aside from Turkey, has recognised the so-called Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, since the invasion of Cyprus in 1974.

It is illegal under the laws of the Republic of Cyprus to sell land that is occupied by Turkey, and orders will be granted for demolition of properties built on such land illegally. The recent case of Apostolides v Orams (in the European Court of Justice and English Court of Appeal) confirms that orders made by the Cyprus courts relating to land in the occupied area can and will be enforced in courts throughout the EU.

No doubt Jamie Lester is well aware of the situation, but continues to sell these properties regardless of the risks faced by buyers who may be forced to demolish the properties and pay large amounts of compensation to the original legal owners.

In an interview for online magazine Success Ruari Phillips in January 2009 Jamie Lester is quoted as follows: “I’ve always hated three words when you can use two. I publish a magazine every month giving potential customers an insight into the north Cyprus property market. There’s a lot of information in there but nothing is complicated and we don’t use jargon. People want facts – especially when they’re making such a big decision as investing in a property. It’s no joke!”

We attach reprinted guidelines from UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office and leave it to you and your advisors to assess whether these are a joke. Clearly the BBC researchers did not look at these when vetting Mr Lester, as the dangers of buying stolen property are made very clear. No doubt this causes you embarrassment in view of your position at the House of Lords.

We have no doubt that you will be asking the BBC to clarify why it has put you in this position, and that you will remedy the situation by suspending the candidate, and ensuring that, even though episodes have been filmed in advance, Jamie Lester is not in the final.

Yours sincerely
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:40 am

While you are moaning and groaning over GC property left in the North,spare a thought for the TC properties left in the South...My mother has 22 donums of land,and one demolished house,still waiting for some compensation...She is now 90...Spare a thought...Try to imagine how I will feel if she dies before a solution is found...Oh,but I know your answer,don't bother writing it...the GCs had more land in the North so my mother's loss doesn't count...And so many GCs have died without seeing a closure to their property issues...so we should think about that and find consolation....Great...Thank you,and good morning...!
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Postby DT. » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:10 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:While you are moaning and groaning over GC property left in the North,spare a thought for the TC properties left in the South...My mother has 22 donums of land,and one demolished house,still waiting for some compensation...She is now 90...Spare a thought...Try to imagine how I will feel if she dies before a solution is found...Oh,but I know your answer,don't bother writing it...the GCs had more land in the North so my mother's loss doesn't count...And so many GCs have died without seeing a closure to their property issues...so we should think about that and find consolation....Great...Thank you,and good morning...!


Had turkey not invaded your mother would be living in her house right now. How's that?
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Postby ZoC » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:18 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:While you are moaning and groaning over GC property left in the North,spare a thought for the TC properties left in the South...My mother has 22 donums of land,and one demolished house,still waiting for some compensation...She is now 90...Spare a thought...Try to imagine how I will feel if she dies before a solution is found...


OK. I spared a thought and i imagine how u'll feel. so now wot?

BirKibrisli wrote:Oh,but I know your answer,don't bother writing it...the GCs had more land in the North so my mother's loss doesn't count...


don't talk shit. who ever gave u an answer like that?

BirKibrisli wrote:And so many GCs have died without seeing a closure to their property issues...so we should think about that and find consolation....Great...Thank you,and good morning...!


mate, have these imaginary conversations with urself in ur head, not on the forum. thank you, and good morning...!
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:05 pm

DT. wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:While you are moaning and groaning over GC property left in the North,spare a thought for the TC properties left in the South...My mother has 22 donums of land,and one demolished house,still waiting for some compensation...She is now 90...Spare a thought...Try to imagine how I will feel if she dies before a solution is found...Oh,but I know your answer,don't bother writing it...the GCs had more land in the North so my mother's loss doesn't count...And so many GCs have died without seeing a closure to their property issues...so we should think about that and find consolation....Great...Thank you,and good morning...!


Had turkey not invaded your mother would be living in her house right now. How's that?


More like 6ft under and forgotten.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:41 pm

DT. wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:While you are moaning and groaning over GC property left in the North,spare a thought for the TC properties left in the South...My mother has 22 donums of land,and one demolished house,still waiting for some compensation...She is now 90...Spare a thought...Try to imagine how I will feel if she dies before a solution is found...Oh,but I know your answer,don't bother writing it...the GCs had more land in the North so my mother's loss doesn't count...And so many GCs have died without seeing a closure to their property issues...so we should think about that and find consolation....Great...Thank you,and good morning...!


Had turkey not invaded your mother would be living in her house right now. How's that?


DT..welcome back,first of all...My Mother had already left her ancestral village,so that is not applicable,but....do you seriously think nothing would've happened to the TCs and dare I say,a lot of Makarios supporters amongst the GCs,had Sampson be allowed to consolidate his rule...??? Can you really be that blind,DT? Had Turkey not invaded,the Greek Junta would not have been toppled when it was either. Try to imagine 2 years of continuing rule by Sampson and his backers in Cyprus,and tell me if that doesn't send a chill down your spine,DT? If it really doesn't then you are truly in denial... :(
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:46 pm

ZoC wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:While you are moaning and groaning over GC property left in the North,spare a thought for the TC properties left in the South...My mother has 22 donums of land,and one demolished house,still waiting for some compensation...She is now 90...Spare a thought...Try to imagine how I will feel if she dies before a solution is found...


OK. I spared a thought and i imagine how u'll feel. so now wot?

BirKibrisli wrote:Oh,but I know your answer,don't bother writing it...the GCs had more land in the North so my mother's loss doesn't count...


don't talk shit. who ever gave u an answer like that?

BirKibrisli wrote:And so many GCs have died without seeing a closure to their property issues...so we should think about that and find consolation....Great...Thank you,and good morning...!


mate, have these imaginary conversations with urself in ur head, not on the forum. thank you, and good morning...!


I get told these things every time I post something that touches on TC pain and suffering...You are obviously keeping you head well in sand...

So you considered my feelings on the scenario I mentioned,but could not come up with anything apart from 'now wot'?? Of course not,our feelings don't count...They didnt count in the 50s,60s and early 70s,so why should they count now??? We are not real Cypriots,but Ottoman remnants anyway...what do we expect,right??? :wink:
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Postby ZoC » Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:49 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:I get told these things every time I post something that touches on TC pain and suffering...You are obviously keeping you head well in sand...

So you considered my feelings on the scenario I mentioned,but could not come up with anything apart from 'now wot'?? Of course not,our feelings don't count...They didnt count in the 50s,60s and early 70s,so why should they count now??? We are not real Cypriots,but Ottoman remnants anyway...what do we expect,right??? :wink:


wotever, dude...

sympathy, sympathy, sympathy... how awful... how terrible... how sad... with a cherry on top. etc.

now wot?
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:00 pm

ZoC wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:I get told these things every time I post something that touches on TC pain and suffering...You are obviously keeping you head well in sand...

So you considered my feelings on the scenario I mentioned,but could not come up with anything apart from 'now wot'?? Of course not,our feelings don't count...They didnt count in the 50s,60s and early 70s,so why should they count now??? We are not real Cypriots,but Ottoman remnants anyway...what do we expect,right??? :wink:


wotever, dude...

sympathy, sympathy, sympathy... how awful... how terrible... how sad... with a cherry on top. etc.

now wot?


When my Grandma was really upset with someone she'd say something that is etched in my mind..."Lamron nase gapsi..." Rings a bell???
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Postby ZoC » Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:14 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
ZoC wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:I get told these things every time I post something that touches on TC pain and suffering...You are obviously keeping you head well in sand...

So you considered my feelings on the scenario I mentioned,but could not come up with anything apart from 'now wot'?? Of course not,our feelings don't count...They didnt count in the 50s,60s and early 70s,so why should they count now??? We are not real Cypriots,but Ottoman remnants anyway...what do we expect,right??? :wink:


wotever, dude...

sympathy, sympathy, sympathy... how awful... how terrible... how sad... with a cherry on top. etc.

now wot?


When my Grandma was really upset with someone she'd say something that is etched in my mind..."Lamron nase gapsi..." Rings a bell???


that's not very nice. after i expressed sympathy. anyone would think all u were after was revenge.
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