Cyprus-Forum.com

[humanist]

repulse .... I disagree .... I think Cyprus ought to reunite in on indivisible Country with one identity and none of this racist based stuff. The best we can do i think is a canadian model with Quebec being what it is under one United Canada. The TC's don't like this but in my opinion its the best option that will resolve a lot of the current issues. Christofias should make allowances for some of the TC population to have rights over a home the currently occuy where a GC refugee is not wanting to return. No one should be denied the right of return and there will be many who wont. In villages like Xeros for example the Eliniky Eteria will just have to miss out and all those people should be given automatic right to stay. Unless the home they occupy is a privately owned home and the owner wishes to return.

The enclaves you refer too above didn't work in the past and I doubt they will work in the future.

The TC's need to accept Christofias proposal about the return of Varoshia asap and rebuilding the city in a joint venture. That will lead to more good stuff. But the Turks wont allow that and the TC's are yet screwed again.

[Ethem]

Humanist, I think you are right in that anyone who wants to return to their village should be able to but again we are going to end up with thousands of displaced people both GC and TC and then the cost and logistics of re-housing these people would be enormous

[runaway]

The TC's need to accept Christofias proposal about the return of Varoshia asap and rebuilding the city in a joint venture. That will lead to more good stuff. But the Turks wont allow that and the TC's are yet screwed again.

very clever of you really Why would we give out land to the enemy in return for nothing? Why would we give land in return for anything? We only got 36% of the island. And we could take 96% of it if we wanted to.

[Get Real!]

very clever of you really Why would we give out land to the enemy in return for nothing? Why would we give land in return for anything? We only got 36% of the island. And we could take 96% of it if we wanted to.

You being the Turkish Cypriot cavalry?

[Gasman]

GR why don't you just GO TO THE BORDER and put your arguments to them there?

You are sounding more and more like an Action Man Toy.

[humanist]

Humanist, I think you are right in that anyone who wants to return to their village should be able to but again we are going to end up with thousands of displaced people both GC and TC and then the cost and logistics of re-housing these people would be enormous

Because its the right thing to do. Firstly

Secondly ... there are many people who will not return. There are thousands of GC refugees who have made Australia, US and Canada their homes. They will not return. Thus I believe if a TC refugee lives in their home they should stay there. However, any other imovable property should be returned to them to do as they please. Once again the solution could be that id offered market value compensation they may let it go and then a TC refugee can have that in exchange with their land in the now free areas.

I also believe that if we are in the process of unification the Christofias government ought to apply for funds to rebuild the TC villages that have been abandoned since 63/74 respectively. This way people are respected and have the option of reclaiming all of their properties. Those who chose not to return then their properties can be sold off or compensated in the same way the GC properties would as I proposed in the sentence above

[Get Real!]

GR why don't you just GO TO THE BORDER and put your arguments to them there?

You are sounding more and more like an Action Man Toy.

Which arguments would they be and whom do you suggest I put them to… the TC cavalry or the TC musketeers?

[PushDaddy]

Ethem, you are making the point 100 per cent.

Its logically and straight forward.

However the ROC supporters will not see it that way out of blinkered loyalty and the inability( out of principle) to agree with a TRNC loyalist.

[repulsewarrior]

Humanist, I think you are right in that anyone who wants to return to their village should be able to but again we are going to end up with thousands of displaced people both GC and TC and then the cost and logistics of re-housing these people would be enormous

Because its the right thing to do. Firstly

Secondly ... there are many people who will not return. There are thousands of GC refugees who have made Australia, US and Canada their homes. They will not return. Thus I believe if a TC refugee lives in their home they should stay there. However, any other imovable property should be returned to them to do as they please. Once again the solution could be that id offered market value compensation they may let it go and then a TC refugee can have that in exchange with their land in the now free areas.

I also believe that if we are in the process of unification the Christofias government ought to apply for funds to rebuild the TC villages that have been abandoned since 63/74 respectively. This way people are respected and have the option of reclaiming all of their properties. Those who chose not to return then their properties can be sold off or compensated in the same way the GC properties would as I proposed in the sentence above

rethink what you say of my ideas; Bicommunal means one State, Unity and all equal as Individuals in defending its Principals. Yet, as Persons there are National Assemblies from which we can sustain a Communal identity because of this majority. furthermore, if we wish to see the repopulation of this island, for the displaced at least some can rebuild as communities, with enclaves spotting the island, each National Assembly built of geographic components (Bizonal) is obliged to provide a service where minorities and their special needs are recognised respectfully.

indeed Famagusta would be a good step. with a modern harbour, rebuilt from nothing but its wharfs, this is an opportunity for Europe to apply with Cypriots the planning it takes to build a Port where security and volume have a socio-economic impact that reflects positively on such cooperation.

think about it, logistics as you say:

everyone has a right to return. this does not guarantee good relations within the community.

for some, they return as communities. the Green Line effectively ends as a Border, these newly displaced are organised to leave, some will stay because of individual agreements...

...for the rest, outside of enclaves, who take back their Heritance, the same rights, an equal vote, yet politically they are representing themselves as minorities, within another National Assembly, opening the possibility of many Assemblies (Greek, Turkish, Maronite, etc,)...
as such it is in my mind, the Federal Represetation of the citizens which decides, i can see the National Assemblies allowing for a more complex infrastructure that they provide (Russian, Jewish, Chinese, etc.), beyond the limitations of their Charter.

sorry for my tardy reply, it's a long story (no e-mail), but thanks for the reply.

[repulsewarrior]

Ethem, you are making the point 100 per cent.

Its logically and straight forward.

However the ROC supporters will not see it that way out of blinkered loyalty and the inability( out of principle) to agree with a TRNC loyalist.

PushDaddy, i don't know who you refer to when you say, ROC supporters,
but i am assuming that you speak of "Greeks", a body of people unlike "Turks" who prefer a representation of their own. schools, language, and Custom are important to these people as Persons, and National Assemblies serve their representation. However we need to defend our Individual Rights, and in that regard without distinction, a ROC is important to all of us, what Cypriots fail to see is that a National Assembly equal to your own Turkish assembly must be created.

...please read my manifesto