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[Get Real!]

Get Real, your missing the point I'm making....the point is if you make Turkey an outsider of the western world, why would they follow these international laws? they simply wouldn't have to...no one can do anything about it because the western world would lose its grip on Turkey...no chips left to play the game

So what are you on about now?

Did you not claim that Turkey can/may annex the occupied territory of Cyprus?

Jumping around like a little rabbit on heat now are we?

[Ethem]

that still is my point...If the west lose their grip on Turkey then every last word you have cited will be worthless meaning Turkey CAN annex North Cyprus

[Get Real!]

that still is my point...If the west lose their grip on Turkey then every last word you have cited will be worthless meaning Turkey CAN annex North Cyprus

You haven't read my researched article have you?

“Annexation is the legal incorporation of some territory into another geo-political entity...."

And whenever you see "legal" always think UNSC! Ok?


Anyways, I think you should stop posting altogether and do more reading.

[B25]

Turkey will only see us a minority, RoC will only see us as a minority, and the same for anyone really...hence the importance of a federal government with 2 semi-autonomous states...its the only way we can avoid a minority with very little say...

Etham, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck, that chances are it is a duck. Similarly for the TCs number, they ARE a MINORITY and whichever way you want to slice it, they are still a minority. Expecting the minority to become and equal partner is take the mick I think. Every other civilised country has minorities and all live happily together, why not the TCs. The days you had the imperialists preferential treatment is over, died with the end of the colony, acept it.

Additionally, even though Turkey might like to annex the north (because no one has the balls to stop her as you quite rightly said), it is not in Turkeys long term favour to do so. Only time will tell what direction she will take. The only upside for us if she did, is that we can always hope to one day liberate the north, however tough Turkey may be, David beat the goliath etc etc. But by signing away the north we would be well and trully screwed.

A question for you Etham, if Turkey wanted to (or could) annex the north, why hasn't she done it yet??? I don't think it is as easy as you make out.

[Ethem]

GR, you will find the world ticks over outside of the UN influence also...

B25, we would rather die than live as a minority, as third rate citizens on our own land...so if there is to be a cyprus solution there has to be autonomy for TC's...which is why I do not believe (as many) that there ever will be a feasible cyprus solution....the reason why I do not see it is because at the same time I completely understand and sympathise with GC opinion that 1 person = 1 vote...not the hardest concept to grasp....However, I do believe that past events have led to permanent mistrust, and radicalism...lets be honest....if 90% of the population were content, and 10% of the population were discontent and armed themselves....thats a pretty big army/population ratio....

Also, I don't think it's in Turkey's best interest to annex the north as I personally believe their best route is EU...however, if that route is closed on them then there is no reason not to...the west would have all but told Turkey to p*ss off and then they simply would not go by any western law but do as they see fit

as for "liberating" the north I think there is lessons to learn from the past....such as Greece's "liberating" of Smyrna/Izmir after the 2nd world war....nobody wants a repeat of history....

[Get Real!]

Also, I don't think it's in Turkey's best interest to annex the north... as I personally believe their best route is EU...however, if that route is closed on them then there is no reason not to...

That's enough rubbish posted for one day. Now run along and quit making a dork of yourself.

Atta boy!

[Kikapu]

that link doesn't open up any information...there's a broken picture link...please copy and paste...

also, there is no need for research or credible evidence as it is not something which has happened, it is speculative...

Give me one good reason why Turkey CAN NOT annex Cyprus?and don't bother quoting constitution or law as if Turkey do not gain EU membership they will not be morally bound by them any more

If Turkey didn't /couldn't annex the north from 1974-2004 before Cyprus became an EU member, how on earth is Turkey going to annex anything in Cyprus now that Cyprus is a 100% EU territory as of 2004, regardless of whether Turkey walks away from the EU or the EU keeps the door shut on Turkey.?? Don't you think the EU accepted Cyprus into the EU, with her problems and all, just to make sure that Turkey would have a ZERO chance of EVER annexing the north. The EU does not even need to use military force to prevent Turkey from annexing the north if Turkey was foolish enough to make such an attempt. All the EU would need to do, is to stop economic trade with Turkey and the rest will be history for Turkey's "great" economy.!

[All4114All]

B25 wrote
Similarly for the TCs number, they ARE a MINORITY and whichever way you want to slice it, they are still a minority. Expecting the minority to become and equal partner is take the mick I think. Every other civilised country has minorities and all live happily together, why not the TCs. The days you had the imperialists preferential treatment is over, died with the end of the colony, acept it.

Unfortunately as the years have disappeared and the division expands between the two communities you can't have the mind frame of telling every single T/C to drop everything and join the revolution of RoC. So minority or majority the problem is that two communities have been divided and neither side would yearn for the other to rule hence the negotiations for a federal system with government sharing power. This is the truth in front of our eyes which we cannot turn away from.

Correct. Many countries have people living underneath one government, one nation equal laws to your next door neighbour no matter if you are a minority or majority i.e. Italian ethnic background living in Australia (Although we can say there has also been many cases of ethnic conflicts in these civilised countries as well). But there is no balance only an ethnic clear divide here not a single nation as much as we like to say Cypriot we also express our ethnic upbringing so foreigners know who we exactly are Greek or Turkish Cypriot. A united Cyprus yes but only for the guardianship and protection of both ethnic communities under equal law. But equal law is an accomplishment itself because we do not see eye to eye only defend our rights when we are attacked. But also the trusts between communities are becoming hard to gain as time ticks away.

Conclusion is that whichever Greek or Turkish government if we allow one to be in power and not the other then it will be the citizens which will bring Cyprus into chaos once again. At the moment neither Government understand the other so imagine how would one look after its citizens.

[Ethem]

Kikapu, governments change hands over and over again....I don't think it's unimaginable for there to be one party which comes along and decides that's what they want...Also, I don't think trade between EU and Turkey is so important for Turkey as most exports are to and from Asia & Africa....also, with the new gas pipelines that will be running through Turkey, and the oil pipelines that already run through Turkey EU can not cease trade with Turkey until they develop H-Cell technology to the point where fossil fuels are no longer required....and lets be honest...the black gold makes the world turn

[Get Real!]

Also, I don't think trade between EU and Turkey is so important for Turkey as most exports are to and from Asia & Africa....

Quit posting unsubstantiated rubbish!

The EU and particularly Britain is Turkey’s best trading partner.