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[Get Real!]

In any other country Makarios would have been charged with high treason,and probably hanged for his actions...He was the President,swearing to uphold the independence and the sovereignty of his country,and behind close doors he was plotting to destroy the Republic and make it a province of another country...Our GC friends here might be very tolerant of this act of treachery but history will not be so...

No, Makarios abandoned Enosis ideas once the RoC kick started. In fact he was even persecuting Greek nationalists in the late 60s and early 70s.

Why do you think Greece tried to overthrow him in 74?

Wrong...He was pledging himself for Enosis as late as 1967...He only abandoned that dream when the Junta came to power in Greece...That is your homework,GR! Go and find when he was last on record speaking out for the inevitable outcome of Enosis with Greece...You will be surprised...

It's your homework... you're a "Turkish Cypriot" remember, so you can't possibly be well read!

[boulio]

In any other country Makarios would have been charged with high treason,and probably hanged for his actions...He was the President,swearing to uphold the independence and the sovereignty of his country,and behind close doors he was plotting to destroy the Republic and make it a province of another country...Our GC friends here might be very tolerant of this act of treachery but history will not be so...

he would be hanged for proposing amenndments?Why asking to amend functions in a constitution that created deadlock is a crime?making a constitution more fluid is treason?

[Jerry]

In any other country Makarios would have been charged with high treason,and probably hanged for his actions...He was the President,swearing to uphold the independence and the sovereignty of his country,and behind close doors he was plotting to destroy the Republic and make it a province of another country...Our GC friends here might be very tolerant of this act of treachery but history will not be so...

Bir, Makarios's actions were mirrored by those who were supposed to share power with him. Even before the ink was dry on the Zurich Agreement they were caught importing arms by the departing colonial power (Deniz incident). Like I said both sides saw Zurich as an interim measure, both sides had "better" plans for Cyprus.

As to upholding the independence and the sovereignty of the country, I think the three Guarantor powers, and one in particular, have much to answer for.

[Ethem]

Jerry, I agree with you partly, but I can't say anyone has more to answer for than the other....Let's be honest, Certain Turkish groups wanted Taksim (an idea that's been floating around for a while in the history of cyprus since the british first proposed sovereignty) and certain Greek groups wanted ENOSIS (an idea around since the 1800's first born around the time of the revolts of crete and crete's independence)

[Jerry]

Jerry, I agree with you partly, but I can't say anyone has more to answer for than the other....Let's be honest, Certain Turkish groups wanted Taksim (an idea that's been floating around for a while in the history of cyprus since the british first proposed sovereignty) and certain Greek groups wanted ENOSIS (an idea around since the 1800's first born around the time of the revolts of crete and crete's independence)

And you have achieved Takism - for the time being. The Greek Cypriots gave up on the idea of Enosis years ago and as recent events have shown union with Greece would have been a bad idea. Takism will continue to annihilate the TC community; GCs will survive even if it’s only on 63% of the island. Don't come crying to the GCs if you want to share part of a diminished ROC 'cos you have lost your homeland

[Ethem]

what has been lost? Jerry, you are forgetting that the BEST option for TC's is the cease-fire situation we are stuck in rather than being minority, or rather than being annexed...I urge you to go to Cyprus and ask a Turkish Cypriot what they want...hardly anyone cares for union after the referendum...and I don't believe GC's have completely given up on the idea of enosis....lets not forget that back in the mid 1900s it was only a small portion of GC's that actually wanted enosis and look at what havoc that small portion caused? I believe there are still enclaves of GC's who will always feel the need for enosis as there will always be extreme nationalists in ANY country you go to

[BirKibrisli]

In any other country Makarios would have been charged with high treason,and probably hanged for his actions...He was the President,swearing to uphold the independence and the sovereignty of his country,and behind close doors he was plotting to destroy the Republic and make it a province of another country...Our GC friends here might be very tolerant of this act of treachery but history will not be so...

he would be hanged for proposing amenndments?Why asking to amend functions in a constitution that created deadlock is a crime?making a constitution more fluid is treason?

No,he would be hanged for treason because he was plotting to find ways of uniting Cyprus with Greece,when he had an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution and Independence of the True RoC...

[Nikitas]

Whatever anyone said they wanted in the past, the reality today is that both TAKSIM and ENOSIS are alive and well north of the Green Line.

As for the security guarantees including provisions for the stationing of troops in either region, and the comedy of Turkey guaranteeing the independence and integrity of the GC region is a total JOKE. It will not be simply rejected in a referendum, it will be laughed down.

Our TC compadres are obviously not at all in touch with GC thinking regarding ALL THREE of the guarantor powers. Maybe it is because they have only been buggered by one of them, whilst we GCs have had the pleasure of all three. Never again. Take our word on this, we talk from experience. Three guarantor powers means three sets of intelligence officers doing what they are trained to do: undermine, subvert, divide, suborn and corrupt the locals in favor of their employers.

[repulsewarrior]

...seems contradictory Bir, the people he wanted to "join" with tried to murder him twice. and they had no support, it seems from him, in '74. indeed, there will always be a population worthy of our fear, whether they are called "Greeks" and "Turks", our association with them as Greeks and Turks is abetted by debating from their Agenda. Bir, please, do not exagerate, you are tired too.

(lol) i see Makarios as a hero because without him there would be no Cyprus at all...

[boulio]

bir wrote:


No,he would be hanged for treason because he was plotting to find ways of uniting Cyprus with Greece,when he had an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution and Independence of the True RoC...





Maybe at a point in time but is the last 10 years of his predidency and life for that matter he advocated cyprus independence from greece,thats why the coup was enginered in the first place.