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Postby Kikapu » Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:12 pm

B25 wrote:For Londoner:

When the Republic of Cyprus was established in 1960, it was written in a document, in the attachments of the establishment agreement that, the president of the Evkaf high commission at that time, Dr. Fazıl Küçük, and the community leader Rauf Denktaş made an agreement with the British colonial rule and in return of 1.5 million sterlings, they agreed to not to make any claims concerning evkaf, neither to Britain nor to the new state that is to be established. Since this is an attachment of an international agreement, it became a feature binding all the sides who signed that agreement.

http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/post-36315.html

Trying to find the actual article I read.

But this will do for the moment.

You have no claim to Vakif land, Denktash and Kucuk sold it and pocketed the money.


Boomerang posted this a while back ...

[07] KIBRISLI publishes documents proving that all the compensation rights regarding the Evkaf foundation's property were denounced in 1959; Denktas and the Director of the Evkaf try to declare this information to be untrue
Turkish Cypriot daily KIBRISLI newspaper (08 and 09.10.03) publishes a document both in English and Turkish languages proving that the Turkish Cypriot community had renounced in 1959 all its compensation rights regarding the property of Evkaf religious foundation. Under the document are the signatures of the Turkish Cypriot leader Rauf Denktas and the late Vice President of the Republic of Cyprus Fazil Kucuk.
Under the title 'Our people did not deserve this', the paper wrote, inter alia, the following yesterday on the issue: 'With an agreement they made with the colonial administration, they donated to the British all the compensation rights of our people regarding the Evkaf property.

They signed that the Turkish Cypriot community would not demand compensations in return for one million and five hundred thousand sterling pounds. Now they are claiming that they would appeal to court and demand their rights.

It was decided that five hundred thousand pounds would be deposited into an account in 'Turk Bankasi' in the name of Kucuk and Denktas as 'urgent' needs. The two leaders noted in the answering letter they had written that they were accepting the proposal.

In the letter he wrote, the British governor asked (from the two leaders to accept) the commitment that no financial claims would be raised in the name of the Turkish community and the Evkaf. The leaders gave this commitment in return of one and a half million sterling pounds. Meanwhile, it was alleged that Dr. Kucuk did not want to sign this document, but he had been convinced by Denktas. '



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Postby boulio » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:03 pm

in the echr case recently with lordos vs turkey the court thru out a claim by a group stating that 90% of varosia was evkaf land.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:55 pm

boulio wrote:in the echr case recently with lordos vs turkey the court thru out a claim by a group stating that 90% of varosia was evkaf land.

It happened way before that....

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus26880.html
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:38 pm

property and territory; sovereignty...

within this issue are Principals which are Universal. they are tested by occupiers like Turkey, who subject their will on them while holding the agenda.

on this island, in Cyprus we suffer this will knowing that failure to overcome it threatens the benefit of all Mankind.

thus, having taken the challenge to define ourselves in this larger Family, Bicommunal (and now Bizonal) cannot be just a solution for a symptom ("Greek"/"Turk"), but relavent to the larger issues from which this Problem has come about.

please read my manifesto thingy, or at least agree that bizonal can mean anything but tearing the island in two mutually exclusive pieces, just like bicommunal means anything but two mutually exclusive states.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:03 am

repulsewarrior wrote:please read my manifesto thingy, or at least agree that bizonal can mean anything but tearing the island in two mutually exclusive pieces, just like bicommunal means anything but two mutually exclusive states.

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Postby boulio » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:13 am

boulio wrote:
in the echr case recently with lordos vs turkey the court thru out a claim by a group stating that 90% of varosia was evkaf land.

It happened way before that....

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus26880.html


yeah but i think i need to find the article i believe it was in politis about a month ago were it was rejected by a actual court.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:36 am

Get Real! wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:please read my manifesto thingy, or at least agree that bizonal can mean anything but tearing the island in two mutually exclusive pieces, just like bicommunal means anything but two mutually exclusive states.

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You should refrain from posting when you are drunk,GR!
Such rudeness towards such a gentle man is not acceptable...Now take that finger and put it somewhere acceptable in your body cavities,and go to the far corner of your garden, and stand on one foot...There's a naughty boy! :twisted:
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:48 am

BirKibrisli wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:please read my manifesto thingy, or at least agree that bizonal can mean anything but tearing the island in two mutually exclusive pieces, just like bicommunal means anything but two mutually exclusive states.

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You should refrain from posting when you are drunk,GR!
Such rudeness towards such a gentle man is not acceptable...Now take that finger and put it somewhere acceptable in your body cavities,and go to the far corner of your garden, and stand on one foot...There's a naughty boy! :twisted:

Gentleman or not, I think it’s about time he stopped trying to shove racist shit down people’s throats!
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Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:00 am

Get Real! wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:please read my manifesto thingy, or at least agree that bizonal can mean anything but tearing the island in two mutually exclusive pieces, just like bicommunal means anything but two mutually exclusive states.

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You should refrain from posting when you are drunk,GR!
Such rudeness towards such a gentle man is not acceptable...Now take that finger and put it somewhere acceptable in your body cavities,and go to the far corner of your garden, and stand on one foot...There's a naughty boy! :twisted:

Gentleman or not, I think it’s about time he stopped trying to shove racist shit down people’s throats!


Same to you you hypocrite: He is only doing to you what you do to others, so if you cannot take it don't dish it!
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Postby Gasman » Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:04 am

Trying to understand about this Evkaf. This is what it says on Cypnet about the relevant period and the Evkaf land:
...However, many evkaf designated properties were used for non-Islamic purposes and on the appointment of the Mufti Dana in 1955, the British governor returned all properties which belonged to evkaf to the Turkish Cypriot Community along with £1,000,000 in compensation.

The constitution of the [1960] Republic of Cyprus recognized and re- confirmed the legal rights of evkaf accepting the importance of the institution of evkaf to the Turkish Community, its sanctity, and the need for the preservation and the protection of its properties under the laws and regulations of the Turkish Cypriot Communal Chamber...
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