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Postby chimera2252 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:58 pm

The solar pannel is not yet available in Cyprus - I looked into it.
It's got 8 batteries 6V each. Not sure about the total Amper Hours though
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Postby kurupetos » Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:08 pm

Zero Emmissions Vehicle? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby stefandem » Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:31 pm

You can use any solar panel at 9-10 volts to charge 6 volts batteries. it doesn't have to be a specific one.
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Postby kurupetos » Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:38 pm

stefandem wrote:You can use any solar panel at 9-10 volts to charge 6 volts batteries. it doesn't have to be a specific one.


How much does a solar panel cost? Is it free? :wink:
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Postby georgios100 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:46 pm

100w solar panel = 300 euros approx.
Charge controller another 75 euros.

The math.
Average daily sunshine is 6 hours = 600w charge per day into the batteries of the car. 12kw required...will take 20 days to fully charge the battery bank... forget about a solar panel for now unless you are willing to drive the car once every 20 days!
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Postby kurupetos » Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:01 pm

georgios100 wrote:100w solar panel = 300 euros approx.
Charge controller another 75 euros.

The math.
Average daily sunshine is 6 hours = 600w charge per day into the batteries of the car. 12kw required...will take 20 days to fully charge the battery bank... forget about a solar panel for now unless you are willing to drive the car once every 20 days!


That's what I was thinking mate. :lol: Unless you can produce your own renewable electricity without buying power from the grid you can't have zero emissions. :wink:
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Postby georgios100 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:28 pm

kurupetos wrote:
georgios100 wrote:100w solar panel = 300 euros approx.
Charge controller another 75 euros.

The math.
Average daily sunshine is 6 hours = 600w charge per day into the batteries of the car. 12kw required...will take 20 days to fully charge the battery bank... forget about a solar panel for now unless you are willing to drive the car once every 20 days!


That's what I was thinking mate. :lol: Unless you can produce your own renewable electricity without buying power from the grid you can't have zero emissions. :wink:


I second that.

Renewable energy equipment are much more expensive and much less productive than fossil fuel generators. Also, storing electricity is a major setback (batteries). For now.

Of course, the above comparison is based on $80-100 per barrel of oil. In 20 years from now, oil prices will probably double or even triple. That's when renewable energy will make a lot more sense & economically viable.
Remember, today's solar panels are only 11% efficient, same goes for the batteries but not the case 20 years later...
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Postby stefandem » Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:23 pm

georgios100 wrote:100w solar panel = 300 euros approx.
Charge controller another 75 euros.

The math.
Average daily sunshine is 6 hours = 600w charge per day into the batteries of the car. 12kw required...will take 20 days to fully charge the battery bank... forget about a solar panel for now unless you are willing to drive the car once every 20 days!


that's not correct.
a 100W panel at 10 volts produces 10 amperes (watts = volts x amperes)
so if you have a 20 ampere battery, you need 2 hours to charge it with that panel + 25% time = 2,5 hours

here is a battery charging calculator
http://www.csgnetwork.com/batterychgcalc.html
type 20000mah (=20A) in the first box
type 10000mah (=10A) in the second box
click calculate to see hours
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Postby stefandem » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:52 am

georgios100 wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
georgios100 wrote:100w solar panel = 300 euros approx.
Charge controller another 75 euros.

The math.
Average daily sunshine is 6 hours = 600w charge per day into the batteries of the car. 12kw required...will take 20 days to fully charge the battery bank... forget about a solar panel for now unless you are willing to drive the car once every 20 days!


That's what I was thinking mate. :lol: Unless you can produce your own renewable electricity without buying power from the grid you can't have zero emissions. :wink:


I second that.

Renewable energy equipment are much more expensive and much less productive than fossil fuel generators. Also, storing electricity is a major setback (batteries). For now.

Of course, the above comparison is based on $80-100 per barrel of oil. In 20 years from now, oil prices will probably double or even triple. That's when renewable energy will make a lot more sense & economically viable.
Remember, today's solar panels are only 11% efficient, same goes for the batteries but not the case 20 years later...

if you read and understand my previous post you will find out that renewable energy is much more efficient than you think. I see you are not to much into electric power that's why you might confused some things. You do not charge watts in a battery, but, amperes so that takes us from ages into days and from 20 days to a few hours. :)
Your prediction for oil prices is a bit wrong too.
Look at the chart and see the oil price. it's almost triple within 2 years (from $42 to $113)
Think what will happen in 20 years. I don't even want to think about it :P
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Postby chimera2252 » Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:07 am

kurupetos wrote:
georgios100 wrote:100w solar panel = 300 euros approx.
Charge controller another 75 euros.

The math.
Average daily sunshine is 6 hours = 600w charge per day into the batteries of the car. 12kw required...will take 20 days to fully charge the battery bank... forget about a solar panel for now unless you are willing to drive the car once every 20 days!


That's what I was thinking mate. :lol: Unless you can produce your own renewable electricity without buying power from the grid you can't have zero emissions. :wink:


Ok if you want to be 100% correct it should say Zero tailpipe Emmissions Vehicle.
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