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[Viewpoint]

also if immediately it would mean the gcs would have to give power sharing to the tcs if ta army left then what are they still doing here? your fighting for recognition if all that had to happen was ta army go home the tcs would of made it happen...

with out the support of all the tcs and turkey there is nothing we can do to remove the ta..

if you have a way please let us know. the sooner they go home the better

I have told you how it can be achieved but you and other GCs choose to close their eyes.

[Me Ed]

VP, if this is one of your "thinking out of the box" request then I have a suggestion.

I have sympathy for the TCs because what Turkish policy is doing to the TCs in treating them as second class citizens in their own country is disgraceful.

What you guys need to do is move down south en-mass and claim political asylum.

You can then live as equal citizens in the democratic RoC and as EU citizens - none of this "equal partners" rubbish.

We can then embark as a united people to then take back what's ours from Turkey.

isnt this dangerous vacating the north and swamping the south. Firstly Turkey would just move more settlets to replace us secondly could the south provide us with employment an d housing?

VP,

It isn't going to be easy and very challenging indeed.

I think that if there is a genuine will and with the help of the EU/UN then it IS achievable.

For a recent historical precedent of this you just need to look at how the RoC successfully integrated the 160,000 ethnically cleansed GCs after the invasion.

But as Palio states; As longs as you TCs provide Turkey with its excuse they ain't going anywhere.

However if you TC work to remove that excuse, then Turkeys presence in Cyprus will become untenable.

This would be a mega step for TCs to take alone, the real issue is what have GCs done to help TCs take that massive step? what support are they offering and how would the go about working with TCs to get the international community to get the TA out of Cyprus??

I don't doubt that its a big step.

However, before the RoC can help and support the TCs, the TCs must do one simple thing first; the TCs have to ask for it.

This is because the RoC must be confident that such a request is sincere.

The easiest way they can ask for it is with their feet, and by heading south.

[BirKibrisli]

forget it,Viewpoint...These people are truly blind...

They keep denying the role of their Enosis demand,the activities of the EOKA relating to the TCs,the true motivations behind the Akritas plan,and the pain and suffering of the TC community enslaved withing enclaves for 11 long years...On top of that they blame the worse victims of this bloody conflict for bringing it on to themselves,accuse us of being traitors,thieves,abusers of human rights....and....they expect us to walk into the South with open arms,and believe in and trust their good will...And tell Turkey to send her troops home...

Come on, you little peepsqueeks...Answer VP's question directly and honestly...What have you done in 37 years of having the sole government power to foster trust ,understanding,and respect between the two communities??? You can't answer that,I know,because you did fcuk all...
Accept it,apologise for it,and begin that process NOW, instead of carrying on like mindless idiots repeating same old and tired propaganda arguments...

[Get Real!]

Come on, you little peepsqueeks...Answer VP's question directly and honestly...What have you done in 37 years of having the sole government power to foster trust ,understanding,and respect between the two communities??? You can't answer that,I know,because you did fcuk all...

It’s a daft question because…

1. For the great majority of those 37 years the Turkish military ensured that no communication existed between the RoC and the occupied territory.

2. Even though the RoC is the only recognized authority of Cyprus, the “Turkish Cypriot” community spurred on by Turkey, have been denouncing and renouncing this government since 1963 so your expectation is misdirected, unrealistic, and thus unachievable!

To sum it up, the notion that a government (of any country for that matter) should and/or can foster “trust, understanding, and respect” with a group of determined separatists that are aided by an outside power, is nonsensical!

[wyoming cowboy]

VP, if this is one of your "thinking out of the box" request then I have a suggestion.

I have sympathy for the TCs because what Turkish policy is doing to the TCs in treating them as second class citizens in their own country is disgraceful.

What you guys need to do is move down south en-mass and claim political asylum.

You can then live as equal citizens in the democratic RoC and as EU citizens - none of this "equal partners" rubbish.

We can then embark as a united people to then take back what's ours from Turkey.

isnt this dangerous vacating the north and swamping the south. Firstly Turkey would just move more settlets to replace us secondly could the south provide us with employment an d housing?

you still have your houses and properties there waiting for you in the south, a lot more then any from the north can say about their properties in the north

[wyoming cowboy]

VP, if this is one of your "thinking out of the box" request then I have a suggestion.

I have sympathy for the TCs because what Turkish policy is doing to the TCs in treating them as second class citizens in their own country is disgraceful.

What you guys need to do is move down south en-mass and claim political asylum.

You can then live as equal citizens in the democratic RoC and as EU citizens - none of this "equal partners" rubbish.

We can then embark as a united people to then take back what's ours from Turkey.

isnt this dangerous vacating the north and swamping the south. Firstly Turkey would just move more settlets to replace us secondly could the south provide us with employment an d housing?

VP,

It isn't going to be easy and very challenging indeed.

I think that if there is a genuine will and with the help of the EU/UN then it IS achievable.

For a recent historical precedent of this you just need to look at how the RoC successfully integrated the 160,000 ethnically cleansed GCs after the invasion.

But as Palio states; As longs as you TCs provide Turkey with its excuse they ain't going anywhere.

However if you TC work to remove that excuse, then Turkeys presence in Cyprus will become untenable.

This would be a mega step for TCs to take alone, the real issue is what have GCs done to help TCs take that massive step? what support are they offering and how would the go about working with TCs to get the international community to get the TA out of Cyprus??

re malaka vp when you come to the ROC free areas to reclaim your properties, what else do you want, there are an infinite variety of immigrants in the ROC (bulgarians, romanians, russian, etc etc) why wouldnt the ROC accept its own citizens.....

[humanist]

I've heard it all now. Even by VP's standards, this is about as dumb as it gets.

meee toooo

[BirKibrisli]

VP, if this is one of your "thinking out of the box" request then I have a suggestion.

I have sympathy for the TCs because what Turkish policy is doing to the TCs in treating them as second class citizens in their own country is disgraceful.

What you guys need to do is move down south en-mass and claim political asylum.

You can then live as equal citizens in the democratic RoC and as EU citizens - none of this "equal partners" rubbish.

We can then embark as a united people to then take back what's ours from Turkey.

isnt this dangerous vacating the north and swamping the south. Firstly Turkey would just move more settlets to replace us secondly could the south provide us with employment an d housing?

you still have your houses and properties there waiting for you in the south, a lot more then any from the north can say about their properties in the north

Not my ancestral properties,WC...
Most houses in 3 TC villages in the Paphos mountains area were rased to the ground AFTER the gates were opened,in fear that their legitimate owners might return to claim them...The GCs who were using those houses and lands simply brought in buldozers and tore down everything they were not using...I am not making this up,mate..I've spoken to eyewitnesses(TCs) who were standing by while that was going on,helpless to do anything about it...

[BirKibrisli]

Come on, you little peepsqueeks...Answer VP's question directly and honestly...What have you done in 37 years of having the sole government power to foster trust ,understanding,and respect between the two communities??? You can't answer that,I know,because you did fcuk all...

It’s a daft question because…

1. For the great majority of those 37 years the Turkish military ensured that no communication existed between the RoC and the occupied territory.

2. Even though the RoC is the only recognized authority of Cyprus, the “Turkish Cypriot” community spurred on by Turkey, have been denouncing and renouncing this government since 1963 so your expectation is misdirected, unrealistic, and thus unachievable!

To sum it up, the notion that a government (of any country for that matter) should and/or can foster “trust, understanding, and respect” with a group of determined separatists that are aided by an outside power, is nonsensical!

What about the previous 11 years???Huh???
Which legitimate(!) government makes secret plans, and chases their people out of government by armed intimidation and murders,then proceeds to blame them for running away into enclaves,and suffer there for 11 long years,for the laughable 'motivation' of helping enemy's expantionist policies????

And which legitimate government keeps up this pretence for the next 37 years,getting rich on foreign aid which was supposed help all Cypriots,while further adding insult to injury by continuing their historical revisionism and disinformation campaigns world wide???? The answer???
The RoC government...Next revisionist dumbo please...

[Bananiot]

Just because we thought of filling fire fighting vehicles with petrol and dousing some TC villages (Papadopoulos idea) it does not mean that we wern't passionate enough about the plight of our TC brothers. After all, we were only trying to send them to meet their creator a wee bit earlier. Doing them a favour basicaly.